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jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:09 AM ET
Flyers will be a much improved team this year. Upgrade on the D and upgrade on the forwards. Push at goalie because the backup won't be Bouche or Leighton.

Only time will tell if 4 for Streit and 5 for Vinny hurt, but for "now" the team is vastly improved.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:10 AM ET
Good sell, we'll take him


I am actually salivating at the thought of a D core with Lauridsen, Morin, and Myers, though. The cost is the only problem for me. What trade would you like to see? With the condition being that BSchenn is going your direction instead of Coots?

- JAKEw1234


I have no idea if they would do a Myers for Schenn & Meszaros deal.

With Buffalo taking about a $2M hit and giving you an extra $1.5M in cap space, they may not do it. They might ask to do Myers for Schenn (plus picks going each way perhaps) and leave Meszaros out of it.
justahockeyguy2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 06.05.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:12 AM ET
Flyers will be a much improved team this year. Upgrade on the D and upgrade on the forwards. Push at goalie because the backup won't be Bouche or Leighton.

Only time will tell if 4 for Streit and 5 for Vinny hurt, but for "now" the team is vastly improved.

- jstross



Agreed, especially with goaltending... Bringing in a guy who won the Calder trophy, so the potential is there! Plus he is still young and bringing in a successful veteran like Nabokov or Thomas will do wonders for Mason.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:12 AM ET
c'mon man. the bryz thing is atrocious and he deserves the razzing. let him make smart moves this off season to get the stink out
- isaiah520


Yes, Bryz is a bad signing. But it's off the cap.

That's all that matters. It's not going to prevent them from making moves to improve
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:13 AM ET
love the gagne idea
think he'd sign up for 2M or less?

tim thomas can (frank) off

- Marc D



Probably like 2-3 mil for Gags

Thomas is a fierce competitor and battler... he covers the bottom 1/2 of the net as good as anyone, has a decent glove and can scramble like Hasek....I like his game... I pretty much ignored the whole political B.S. so, I don't care about that...but I'm not married to the idea...I mentioned a few different options.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:14 AM ET
Flyers will be a much improved team this year. Upgrade on the D and upgrade on the forwards. Push at goalie because the backup won't be Bouche or Leighton.

Only time will tell if 4 for Streit and 5 for Vinny hurt, but for "now" the team is vastly improved.

- jstross

Need another dman that can move the puck or at least a future for nxt yr. that's still an issue, even w/ streit. lavi has to stick w/ late season changes as well, but he hates dialing things back
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:15 AM ET
Pens have 9 guys signed the season after next for 49 mil...
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:16 AM ET
Yes, Bryz is a bad signing. But it's off the cap.

That's all that matters. It's not going to prevent them from making moves to improve

- Jsaquella

don't forget gillis is getting hammered as well...and deservedly so
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:16 AM ET
So Holmgren signs Vinny Lecavalier and twitter is full of jokes about his inability to manage the cap. Ray Shero spends $73mm in one day on Letang and Dupuis and there's a slew of, good job, great value tweets.
- Jsaquella

Crosby is the only thing standing between Shero, Ballsma, and illegitimacy. Stat guys see the points but don't see the choke jobs they've done the past couple of years. Shero keeping Testiclesma as coach is just playing it safe. Once their picks and FA signings dry up and go bust, people will see them for what they are.

Also, still on vacation in California and our waiter at dinner the other night is from Pittsburgh. Got a couple jabs in about Fleury after he brought up the 2012 Flyers/Pens series. It was great. He accepted defeat with honor.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:16 AM ET
I have no idea if they would do a Myers for Schenn & Meszaros deal.

With Buffalo taking about a $2M hit and giving you an extra $1.5M in cap space, they may not do it. They might ask to do Myers for Schenn (plus picks going each way perhaps) and leave Meszaros out of it.

- kingcong39

I was asking how you think it fares value-wise. It's hard for me to value our young players cause these darned orange glasses keep getting in the way
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:18 AM ET
Pens have 9 guys signed the season after next for 49 mil...
- aightwebang17



let's send them congratulatory tweeeeeets
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:19 AM ET
let's send them congratulatory tweeeeeets
- Don'tForgetTocchet

You first ma
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:19 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:22 AM ET
You first ma
- aightwebang17



deleted my twitter as soon as i realized how much it irritated me so the ball is in your court
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:23 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.


- Jsaquella



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jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:24 AM ET
Need another dman that can move the puck or at least a future for nxt yr. that's still an issue, even w/ streit. lavi has to stick w/ late season changes as well, but he hates dialing things back
- isaiah520



Timo-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Gus-Grossman

Not ideal but the each line has a puck mover. Having a goalie that helps get the puck out is just huge for this system, IMHO of course.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:25 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.


- Jsaquella


Hammer meat nail. Can't argue their way out of a bias on that one
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:27 AM ET
Pens have 9 guys signed the season after next for 49 mil...
- aightwebang17

cap will be 89 million in 2015-16
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:30 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.


- Jsaquella



gotta get/save a screenshot of those together...
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:32 AM ET
c'mon man. the bryz thing is atrocious and he deserves the razzing. let him make smart moves this off season to get the stink out
- isaiah520


i can agree with this. no matter what the circumstances, the goalie situation is a total mess that looks completely ridiculous. it's not unfair to give him flack for that

and besides, who cares what the media/other fans think? only makes it more satisfying when they succeed (the haters will gloat when they fail whether they mocked the moves beforehand or not)
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:33 AM ET
I was asking how you think it fares value-wise. It's hard for me to value our young players cause these darned orange glasses keep getting in the way
- JAKEw1234


I think Schenn for Myers is close, but not quite enough.
I think Couturier for Myers is very fair on both ends.
The contract value of each is why there would have to be more to that deal.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:33 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.


- Jsaquella


can't make this stuff up.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:37 AM ET
I think Schenn for Myers is close, but not quite enough.
I think Couturier for Myers is very fair on both ends.
The contract value of each is why there would have to be more to that deal.

- kingcong39

It's not exactly like you guys are strapped for cap, especially since Mez's contract expires next year. Maybe BSchenn, Mez, and a 3rd/4th?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:38 AM ET
Joshua Janet ‏@JoshJanet 59s

@drosennhl 5 hrs ago: Signing Lecavalier, 33, to 5-yr deal is crazy.

@drosennhl 20 minutes ago: Signing Dupuis, 34, to 4-yr deal is sound.


- Jsaquella

Call him out on it. Please for the love of god call him out on it
Roytastic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 06.18.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:46 AM ET
So Holmgren signs Vinny Lecavalier and twitter is full of jokes about his inability to manage the cap. Ray Shero spends $73mm in one day on Letang and Dupuis and there's a slew of, good job, great value tweets.
- Jsaquella



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