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Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:25 PM ET
Yes, as long as the other team is aware of the injury status and agrees.
- MJL


Thanks.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 2 @ 9:26 PM ET
Some of you people are ridiculous; vinny for 4.5 is a good deal, maybe you can get nash with his 1 goal/ 3points in 12 games or Richards at press box for another 8 years!!!!!!

Vinny was the best player last year for the bolts until salo used his foot for target practice; also led the team in hits at that point for those idiots saying he is soft.

Vinny has been the most misused player the last couple of years playing with some beer league wingers; you give him some talented wingers and he'll be just fine.

I hate philly more than life itself but as of today they are my favorite team and will be purchasing my Vinnie flyer jersey ASAP.

- vinnybolt4life


Welcome aboard Mr.Lecavalier
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 2 @ 9:26 PM ET
Can they trade Meszaros if he's not health cleared?
- Moose_15


Yes injured players can be traded. Mez should be cleared by mid summer and at that point some team will desperate enough for D to at least give up a late round pick for him. The fact that he is going into his last year will help get a deal done. I could see a team struggling to reach the cap floor going for him too, if he can stay healthy they get a good player cheap, if not, no real harm done.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Jul 2 @ 9:27 PM ET
Don't believe the hype folks, it's very doubtful that Coburn is going anywhere.

Grossmann is coming off concussion issues, Timonen will be 39 by the end of the season and Streit is not exactly a shutdown guy. Coburn will be counted on for 20+ minutes per night and will go every other shift late in games where the Flyers are leading. He's not going anywhere.

Mezaros, on the other hand, may want to start packing.

- BiggE

I seriously hope you're right mate.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 2 @ 9:28 PM ET
Going to be a stud this year. Don't give up on him yet.
- stveshdy


He may well be, but with his injury issues, their need to shed salary and the fact that he is in his last year, he is simply the logical choice to go.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:28 PM ET
I love the way everything Homer does induces mass panic these days.

I wanted to reach through the radio and choke the snot out of Angelo Cataldi yesterday morning listening to him wail, whine, and moan about the Morin draft pick.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 2 @ 9:28 PM ET
He may well be, but with his injury issues, their need to shed salary and the fact that he is in his last year, he is simply the logical choice to go.
- BiggE


I think he is what the Flyers need. Can skate, move the puck and has a shot from the point. I rather the Flyers keep him around.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 2 @ 9:29 PM ET
I love the way everything Homer does induces mass panic these days.

I wanted to reach through the radio and choke the snot out of Angelo Cataldi yesterday morning listening to him wail, whine, and moan about the Morin draft pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm


As if Blowhard Cataldi has the slightest idea of who Morin is or anything about him whatsoever. How can you even listen to that clown?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:29 PM ET
Some of you people are ridiculous; vinny for 4.5 is a good deal, maybe you can get nash with his 1 goal/ 3points in 12 games or Richards at press box for another 8 years!!!!!!

Vinny was the best player last year for the bolts until salo used his foot for target practice; also led the team in hits at that point for those idiots saying he is soft.

Vinny has been the most misused player the last couple of years playing with some beer league wingers; you give him some talented wingers and he'll be just fine.

I hate philly more than life itself but as of today they are my favorite team and will be purchasing my Vinnie flyer jersey ASAP.

- vinnybolt4life


Timonen is real good at that (See: Hartnell's foot; Staal's face)
I honestly thought the cap hit would be 5-5.5 mil, so I'm enthused. And like the article that was just linked here cleverly pointed out, if for some reason we need to dump his salary next year, Tampa would be more than happy to have Vinny at 4.5/per, and I'm sure Vinny would be happy to waive his NTC for Tampa).
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 9:29 PM ET
There is no reason to think that's the case.
- Feanor


Sure there is.

Unless they are going with Cal Heeter as their backup goaltender, the Flyers will probably end up signing a FA veteran goaltender. They'll need cash for that.

Coburn is one guy they could trade. They could also trade Mez. They'll get more back from Coburn, but since they are trying to clear space and Coburn is actually worth more than Mez right now (because of Mez's recent injury history), it may not help the Flyers to trade Coburn.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:30 PM ET
As if Blowhard Cataldi has the slightest idea of who Morin is or anything about him whatsoever. How can you even listen to that clown?
- BiggE


I wanted to hear what Al Morganti had to say, but Al kept getting drowned out by Captain Stupid.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 9:31 PM ET
I love the way everything Homer does induces mass panic these days.

I wanted to reach through the radio and choke the snot out of Angelo Cataldi yesterday morning listening to him wail, whine, and moan about the Morin draft pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm


Do yourself a favor and stop listening to WIP. Listening to them just puts me in a bad mood.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 9:31 PM ET
Sure there is.

Unless they are going with Cal Heeter as their backup goaltender, the Flyers will probably end up signing a FA veteran goaltender. They'll need cash for that.

Coburn is one guy they could trade. They could also trade Mez. They'll get more back from Coburn, but since they are trying to clear space and Coburn is actually worth more than Mez right now (because of Mez's recent injury history), it may not help the Flyers to trade Coburn.

- johndewar


The Flyers aren't in the bad Cap shape that some think they are.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:32 PM ET
I love the way everything Homer does induces mass panic these days.

I wanted to reach through the radio and choke the snot out of Angelo Cataldi yesterday morning listening to him wail, whine, and moan about the Morin draft pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm

Why the hell do all our beat writers and radio personalities have Italian names? It's making me prejudice
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 9:32 PM ET
Yes injured players can be traded. Mez should be cleared by mid summer and at that point some team will desperate enough for D to at least give up a late round pick for him. The fact that he is going into his last year will help get a deal done. I could see a team struggling to reach the cap floor going for him too, if he can stay healthy they get a good player cheap, if not, no real harm done.
- BiggE


Probably very likely.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 2 @ 9:32 PM ET
I think he is what the Flyers need. Can skate, move the puck and has a shot from the point. I rather the Flyers keep him around.
- stveshdy


The concern is that after 4 serious injuries in the space of roughly a year, will he be the same player he was and will he be able to stay healthy. It's also important to remember that he played his best when on the 3rd pairing and often struggled when moved up and forced to take on harder defensive assignments. With Streit, Timonen and Gustafsson the Flyers have enough offense on the back end, I think Coburn is a better and more durable defender than Mez.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:33 PM ET
Sure there is.

Unless they are going with Cal Heeter as their backup goaltender, the Flyers will probably end up signing a FA veteran goaltender. They'll need cash for that.

Coburn is one guy they could trade. They could also trade Mez. They'll get more back from Coburn, but since they are trying to clear space and Coburn is actually worth more than Mez right now (because of Mez's recent injury history), it may not help the Flyers to trade Coburn.

- johndewar


They have 5.7M in cap room now, which goes up to 9.7M if they dump Mezaros for a pick.

Coburn is their 23 minute a night defensman.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jul 2 @ 9:33 PM ET
Not a bad deal, but the term is horrific.

Vinny didnt seem to be the same player anymore, we will see what he has left in the tank.

So much for doing it right, doing it slow, and building properly. Sigh.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 9:33 PM ET
The concern is that after 4 serious injuries in the space of roughly a year, will he be the same player he was and will he be able to stay healthy. It's also important to remember that he played his best when on the 3rd pairing and often struggled when moved up and forced to take on harder defensive assignments. With Streit, Timonen and Gustafsson the Flyers have enough offense on the back end, I think Coburn is a better and more durable defender than Mez.
- BiggE


I agree. I like Meszaros. He would be my choice to trade.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
Still not in love with this signing. Like Vinny. Don't love his cap hit and don't love the term.

I think this probably means the end of Brayden Coburn as a Flyer, unless the only thing they get back for Cobie is comparable contracts. Then, I think Mez goes for pennies on the dollar to a team needing to get to the cap floor (if such a team exists).

- johndewar

does vinny signing screw the flyers capwise?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
Do yourself a favor and stop listening to WIP. Listening to them just puts me in a bad mood.
- johndewar


I dont listen to them much. But I did think that either Keith Jones or Al Morganti would have something worthwhile to say. Forlorn hope.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
They have 5.7M in cap room now, which goes up to 9.7M if they dump Mezaros for a pick.

Coburn is their 23 minute a night defensman.

- Feanor


That's high. Dumping Meszaros would give them about 4.3M to work with.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
They have 5.7M in cap room now, which goes up to 9.7M if they dump Mezaros for a pick.

Coburn is their 23 minute a night defensman.

- Feanor


Not sure that's true. See the following: http://www.broadstreethoc...ontract-salary-cap-flyers

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
I love the way everything Homer does induces mass panic these days.

I wanted to reach through the radio and choke the snot out of Angelo Cataldi yesterday morning listening to him wail, whine, and moan about the Morin draft pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm


every host and caller today made me want to murder kittens. couldn't take it.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 2 @ 9:34 PM ET
The concern is that after 4 serious injuries in the space of roughly a year, will he be the same player he was and will he be able to stay healthy. It's also important to remember that he played his best when on the 3rd pairing and often struggled when moved up and forced to take on harder defensive assignments. With Streit, Timonen and Gustafsson the Flyers have enough offense on the back end, I think Coburn is a better and more durable defender than Mez.
- BiggE


Coburn is headed out.
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