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Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:15 AM ET
Brodeur wasn't horrific, he just wasn't up to his usual level of play...Johan Hedberg, he was horrific when Brodeur was hurt.

I think that the Devils and Brodeur know that Schneider will be starting more games this year, and that he's their future.

- Jsaquella


I wish the Devils would have gotten Luongo. We seem to light him up every time we play him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:17 AM ET
What about the health of his hip? Won't we always be questioning the condition of his disease?
- Flyersgod


That is a concern, but it's also not a controversy that will drive newspaper and media ad sales.

Emery's been back playing for a couple years now. He hasn't had any issues with the hip since his return and he's played solidly.

While I have concerns about Emery's hip, I know he will also answer questions about it himself and not make it anyone else's burden.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 2 @ 8:18 AM ET
What about the health of his hip? Won't we always be questioning the condition of his disease?
- Flyersgod



Emery sat out late last year due to an injury iirc... and that was in a 48 game season. Gotta wonder how well he'd hold up in 82.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:18 AM ET
I wish the Devils would have gotten Luongo. We seem to light him up every time we play him.
- Flyersgod


Nobody was taking that contract. Gillis royally screwed up the Luongo/Schneider situation.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 8:18 AM ET
I hope they sign him, and he has Tea Party stuff painted on his mask.

Just for you.

- Flyersgod



I don't care about the politics as much as I care about what it would mean for Steve Mason... and an entire year off for a guy who wasn't a physical specimen to begin with? No thanks.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:19 AM ET
That is a concern, but it's also not a controversy that will drive newspaper and media ad sales.

Emery's been back playing for a couple years now. He hasn't had any issues with the hip since his return and he's played solidly.

While I have concerns about Emery's hip, I know he will also answer questions about it himself and not make it anyone else's burden.

- Jsaquella


I have a tough time being worried about Emery. I love the guy. Wish we would have kept him throughout his injury.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 2 @ 8:20 AM ET
Emery sat out late last year due to an injury iirc... and that was in a 48 game season. Gotta wonder how well he'd hold up in 82.
- moylander

He missed time in April, but was back for the semi-finals. IIRC he had a knee injury.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:20 AM ET
Nobody was taking that contract. Gillis royally screwed up the Luongo/Schneider situation.
- Jsaquella


Yeah, waited too long. I think he overvalued the kind of returns he thought he should have gotten for Lou.

I'd be pretty upset if i'm Vanvouver.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:21 AM ET
I don't care about the politics as much as I care about what it would mean for Steve Mason... and an entire year off for a guy who wasn't a physical specimen to begin with? No thanks.
- Tomahawk


Dude is an excellent goalie. I don't care if he's smoking pot and chugging beers in the locker room, as long as he's stopping the puck.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:22 AM ET
I have a tough time being worried about Emery. I love the guy. Wish we would have kept him throughout his injury.
- Flyersgod


I like Emery, too. To see what he has done and how hard he's worked to get back to the NHL is inspiring.

He's not a starter anymore, but he can be a solid time splitter and back up
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:23 AM ET
He missed time in April, but was back for the semi-finals. IIRC he had a knee injury.
- jak521


Was the knee injury caused because of a lack of strength in his hip area?

Or just a knee injury?
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Jul 2 @ 8:23 AM ET
I'm still trying to figure out what questions were needed to be asked by reporters?

Is it worse than Bryzgalov talking about outter space, Russia, and questioning the existence of mankind?

Media in philly will attack goaltenders no matter what.

The media can choose not to make it a distraction. The media can choose not to ask those questions. The media can choose to focus on hockey and only hockey. The media in Philly is a disgrace and if i'm GM I spend no time worrying about what they're going to do or say.

With that said, I'd rather try Halak in net. Has time to grow with the team etc. If we think Mason could be our #1, then grab Thomas to "help" him out.

That's just my two cents.

- Flyersgod


Do you think that Bryz's stay here would have been less controversial if he never spoke to the media? I'm sure it's up to the Flyers whether he speaks to the media. I know there are players around the league who are off limits to the media. Malkin comes to mind.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 8:23 AM ET
Nobody was taking that contract. Gillis royally screwed up the Luongo/Schneider situation.
- Jsaquella



Then again, you have to admire him for sticking to his asking price despite the temptation to dump Luongo for nothing more than Matt Walker and a 4th, and being handcuffed by uncooperative owners.

In the end, they still got a lottery pick out of the whole thing...
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:24 AM ET
I like Emery, too. To see what he has done and how hard he's worked to get back to the NHL is inspiring.

He's not a starter anymore, but he can be a solid time splitter and back up

- Jsaquella


I wonder if the Flyers are just cursed when it comes to goaltending.

If Patrick Roy had played with the Flyers in his prime, he probably would have lost an arm in a freak ping pong injury.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:26 AM ET
Do you think that Bryz's stay here would have been less controversial if he never spoke to the media? I'm sure it's up to the Flyers whether he speaks to the media. I know there are players around the league who are off limits to the media. Malkin comes to mind.
- Jimmygrazz


I dunno. They're never controversial to me. I don't read anything about what players do or say, unless its playoff time.

I think he most controversial thing to me over the last couple years is how Lavy has treated goaltenders.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 8:27 AM ET
Dude was an excellent goalie. I don't care if he's smoking pot and chugging beers in the locker room, as long as he's stopping the puck.
- Flyersgod



... and if he's unable to regain his edge? Not all player comebacks are successful... banking on him being an eternal exception like Hasek would be a huge gamble.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:27 AM ET
Then again, you have to admire him for sticking to his asking price despite the temptation to dump Luongo for nothing more than Matt Walker and a 4th, and being handcuffed by uncooperative owners.

In the end, they still got a lottery pick out of the whole thing...

- Tomahawk


He did get a lottery pick, but he also retained Luongo's contract. If he did have a valid offer at the TDL, that's when he should have moved, or even last summer.

They are still solid in goal, and got a good asset for an "Elite" goalie(somehow a guy who has never been a full time starter and has under 100 NHL starts is Elite now), so it's not all bad.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 2 @ 8:27 AM ET
Was the knee injury caused because of a lack of strength in his hip area?

Or just a knee injury?

- Flyersgod

I dont think it had anything to do with his hip.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 2 @ 8:27 AM ET
I have a tough time being worried about Emery. I love the guy. Wish we would have kept him throughout his injury.
- Flyersgod


When Emery had his injury, the consensus was that his career was over. He made a recovery that's just shy of a miracle, and I'm really happy for him. But for a short-term deal, I'd be okay with it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 2 @ 8:28 AM ET
I dont think it had anything to do with his hip.
- jak521


The hip had to do with his bone cells dying. The knee was separate.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 2 @ 8:29 AM ET
I had to do with his bone cells dying.
- jmatchett383

That was the necrosis of the hip. We are talking about his knee in April.

EDIT: Leight..
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 2 @ 8:30 AM ET
Then again, you have to admire him for sticking to his asking price despite the temptation to dump Luongo for nothing more than Matt Walker and a 4th, and being handcuffed by uncooperative owners.

In the end, they still got a lottery pick out of the whole thing...

- Tomahawk



I think in the end Vancouver still walks away a winner if by dumb luck. Lu is still a fantastic goalie and will be for at least 5 more years (which everyone seems to forget). They keep a top netminder in Lu and they go out and get Horvat and Shinkaruk in the draft. They also rid themselves of the schneider/lu goalie controversy --- so Lu is now the unquestioned starter in Vancouver.

Watch them go out and have a fantastic season next year.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:31 AM ET
... and if he's unable to regain his edge? Not all player comebacks are successful... banking on him being an eternal exception like Hasek would be a huge gamble.
- Tomahawk


We gamble with everything in Philly. We gamble with draft picks, free agent signings, and trades based on potential.

If it's a one year deal, there is no harm in it. I think the risk/reward issue has more reward then risk. If he plays like he has, its a reward. If he plays at 75% of his potential, he'll still be better than what we've had.

Worst case scenario, you trade him at the deadline. Given that he doesn't have a NTC etc etc
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 2 @ 8:32 AM ET
The hip had to do with his bone cells dying. The knee was separate.
- jmatchett383


It's all connected though, isn't it?

If your hip loses strength during a quick movement, and your knee isn't able to be kept in position, couldn't that injury be because of the hip?

I'm just asking if its possible. I like the guy and i'm not concerned with his hip.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 8:35 AM ET
We gamble with everything in Philly. We gamble with draft picks, free agent signings, and trades based on potential.

If it's a one year deal, there is no harm in it. I think the risk/reward issue has more reward then risk. If he plays like he has, its a reward. If he plays at 75% of his potential, he'll still be better than what we've had.

Worst case scenario, you trade him at the deadline. Given that he doesn't have a NTC etc etc

- Flyersgod



Worst case scenario, you have a guy who stinks, is a constant distraction, and is probably carrying a high cap hit and NMC.... doesn't that sound familiar.

Flyers logic.
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