Hate the old faceoff arguement... A guy that is 47% and a guy that is 52% is really only a difference of one faceoff per game... Give me the 47% faceoff man that can go cause a turnover get the puck back and do something with it....

Kadri proved it in the playoffs so I guess he should continue to get a chance until he proves he cannot do it....

Also Kessel's jump in points came with the addition of Lupul and JVR.....
- jribout

If anyone thinks Bozak had anything to do with Kessel production, they're clearly blind,deaf and dumb.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2010-13&sit=5v5

Since 2010

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.868
GA per 20: 0.985

WIthout Bozak

GF per 20: 1.107
GA per 20: 1.061

Negative goals for and against with Bozak still, positive goals for and against without Bozak still.
- daeth

i wish i knew how to properly read these stats lol but i did say do from 2011 to now (thats past 2 seasons, not 2010) those were kessels 2 best seasons as a leaf

If anyone thinks Bozak had anything to do with Kessel production, they're clearly blind,deaf and dumb.
- jbold

He may have had something to do with Kessel's production but I don't feel like he had much of a positive impact and the stats seem to suggest I may be correct.

The main worry I have with letting Bozak go is that it may upset the balance the Leafs have with the rest of their lines. The 2nd line with Kadri is a hell of a lot better than the 2nd line with Grabo or whoever else they might slide into that spot.

i wish i knew how to properly read these stats lol but i did say do from 2011 to now (thats past 2 seasons, not 2010) those were kessels 2 best seasons as a leaf
- matt1337

Damn, I thought I read 2010 from you. My bad.

From 2011 to 2013 lol

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.947
GA per 20: 0.974

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.253
GA per 20: 1.097

From 2012 to 2013

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.972
GA per 20: 0.907

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.397
GA per 20: 0.776

Same results every timeframe.

Damn, I thought I read 2010 from you. My bad.

From 2011 to 2013 lol

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.947
GA per 20: 0.974

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.253
GA per 20: 1.097

From 2012 to 2013

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.972
GA per 20: 0.907

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.397
GA per 20: 0.776

Same results every timeframe.
- daeth

Jesus Christ, that says it all right there!

Daeth, that's the most compelling, logical post in this thread, and if people try to ignore those facts, they're either really stubborn, or incapable.

The myth of Tyler Bozak and Phil Kessel's chemistry indeed!

Damn, I thought I read 2010 from you. My bad.

From 2011 to 2013 lol

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.947
GA per 20: 0.974

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.253
GA per 20: 1.097

From 2012 to 2013

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2012-13&sit=5v5

With Bozak

GF per 20: 0.972
GA per 20: 0.907

Without Bozak

GF per 20: 1.397
GA per 20: 0.776

Same results every timeframe.
- daeth

so using that logic, kessel should be paired with grabo

2011-13

With Grabo

GF per 20: 1.704
GA per 20: 0.852

Without Grabo

GF per 20: 0.983
GA per 20: 1.014

would you honestly rather have kessel with grabo or bozak? cause if hes playing with grabo, kessel isn't getting the puck lol

Jesus Christ, that says it all right there!
- mykokes

(disclaimer: microscopic sample size. only 65:08 minutes together)

2012-2013

With Kadri

GF per 20: 1.842
GA per 20: 0.921

Without Kadri

GF per 20: 0.969
GA per 20: 0.881

so using that logic, kessel should be paired with grabo

2011-13

With Grabo

GF per 20: 1.704
GA per 20: 0.852

Without Grabo

GF per 20: 0.983
GA per 20: 1.014

would you honestly rather have kessel with grabo or bozak? cause if hes playing with grabo, kessel isn't getting the puck lol
- matt1337

Haha yeah. Seems odd.

If Bozak can't be signed for a reasonable price I think it's at least worth trying though. Don't you?

so using that logic, kessel should be paired with grabo

2011-13

With Grabo

GF per 20: 1.704
GA per 20: 0.852

Without Grabo

GF per 20: 0.983
GA per 20: 1.014

would you honestly rather have kessel with grabo or bozak? cause if hes playing with grabo, kessel isn't getting the puck lol
- matt1337

How would we know? We've never seen it over a long period of time have we? This despite some posters like myself asking for it.

Haha yeah. Seems odd.

If Bozak can't be signed for a reasonable price I think it's at least worth trying though. Don't you?
- daeth

Rather than buy Grabo out, why not try it, and if it doesn't work then move him. I've said this all along......unless Phil and Grabo really do hate each other or something.

Daeth, that's the most compelling, logical post in this thread, and if people try to ignore those facts, they're either really stubborn, or incapable.

The myth of Tyler Bozak and Phil Kessel's chemistry indeed!
- mykokes

If it turns out I'm reading this stats backwards I'll be pretty bummed out

Haha yeah. Seems odd.

If Bozak can't be signed for a reasonable price I think it's at least worth trying though. Don't you?
- daeth

no cause kessel won't be getting the puck. grabo is a puck hog lol i like grabo, but hes a one man army.

- Flyfreaky

What is De Niro doing on there?

(disclaimer: microscopic sample size. only 65:08 minutes together)

2012-2013

With Kadri

GF per 20: 1.842
GA per 20: 0.921

Without Kadri

GF per 20: 0.969
GA per 20: 0.881
- daeth

Aren't the other samples small? The only time Kessel gets away from Bozak is when he is double shifted to the 4th line, or pps.

What's the even strength numbers look like?

If it turns out I'm reading this stats backwards I'll be pretty bummed out
- daeth

bahahahah, then I will apologize to HH. But you've put in the work, presented your facts. Best way to check is ask Yost.

If it turns out I'm reading this stats backwards I'll be pretty bummed out
- daeth

haha see i cant understand the stats either i just followed how you posted it

Aren't the other samples small? The only time Kessel gets away from Bozak is when he is double shifted to the 4th line, or pps.

What's the even strength numbers look like?
- Leafland

yea, over the past 2 years, kessel has only played 117 mins even strength with grabo

no cause kessel won't be getting the puck. grabo is a puck hog lol i like grabo, but hes a one man army.
- matt1337

Perfect Kadri with Kessel
Grabo with JVR and Clarkson crashing the net for rebounds

Aren't the other samples small? The only time Kessel gets away from Bozak is when he is double shifted to the 4th line, or pps.

What's the even strength numbers look like?
- Leafland

Those are all even strength numbers.

And yeah, the other samples are small.

Kessel from 2012 to 2013

617:29 with Bozak recorded in those stats. 128:48 without.

yea, over the past 2 years, kessel has only played 117 mins even strength with grabo
- matt1337

The key to all those stats to me is how kessel does with and without bozak. If the numbers are better without bozak, then who cares about the sample sizes.

What is De Niro doing on there?
- daeth

I think it's pretty obvious what he's doing...

I think it's pretty obvious what he's doing...
- Flyfreaky