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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:30 PM ET
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2012-06-24/2012-nhl-draft-nail-yakupov-ryan-murray-maple-leafs-flyers-trade

Philadelphia Flyers—C-minus

Center Scott Laughton felt like something of a reach at No. 20 in the first round, and you have to wonder about spending a second-round pick on a goalie in Anthony Stolarz who, while 6-5 and 210 pounds, was cut from two teams in the Eastern Junior Hockey League last summer. That information comes from Stolarz’s profile page on the NHL website, which lists his favorite place to visit as “Batman.”


http://www.hockeybuzz.com...p?thread_id=99173&page=54

This is the page of last year's draft blog, the general consensus of posters was WTF?

- Jsaquella


Thanks for posting this.....especially the Sporting News bit.

Stolarz has acquitted himself nicely in the OHL and teams would probably love to get their hands on Scott Laughton now.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:30 PM ET
Had it in today's blog: A bigger and better skating Luke Schenn but less polished overall at the same age.
- bmeltzer

So not the next Chris Pronger? Just better then Coburn offensively? As long as he isn't the next Chris McAllister we are good then.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:31 PM ET
Just getting home from work. I need a recap on the first 325 or so responses to Bill's blog.

For my part. I'm reluctantly on board with the Morin pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm


Recap = Salty.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:31 PM ET
Just getting home from work. I need a recap on the first 325 or so responses to Bill's blog.

For my part. I'm reluctantly on board with the Morin pick.

- Doc_Sarcasm


Basically Morin vs Pulock
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:32 PM ET
i still love u
- Winning

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:33 PM ET
Thanks for posting this.....especially the Sporting News bit.

Stolarz has acquitted himself nicely in the OHL and teams would probably love to get their hands on Scott Laughton now.

- johndewar


Seems like the perfect #3 center. Agitator who plays strong defense and can supply points.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:33 PM ET
Basically Morin vs Pulock
- PhillySportsGuy



Fire Nolet!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:33 PM ET
Fire Nolet!
- Tomahawk


Hire Bushhunter
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 4:33 PM ET
McKenzie just tweeted that Tim Thomas will explore his options in making a NHL comeback.

There's your goalie
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:34 PM ET
McKenzie just tweeted that Tim Thomas will explore his options in making a NHL comeback.

There's your goalie

- Jsaquella


It would be a very Flyeresque move
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:34 PM ET
McKenzie just tweeted that Tim Thomas will explore his options in making a NHL comeback.

There's your goalie

- Jsaquella



No, there's your goalie.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:35 PM ET
Had it in today's blog: A bigger and better skating Luke Schenn but less polished overall at the same age.
- bmeltzer

haha I read that I was just hoping you'd say Pronger
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 4:36 PM ET
No, there's your goalie.
- Doc_Sarcasm


Nah, my first choice is Halak.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:36 PM ET
haha I read that I was just hoping you'd say Pronger
- JAKEw1234


Well Luke Schenn is Adam Foote. So think of a better skating Adam Foote.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
So not the next Chris Pronger? Just better then Coburn offensively? As long as he isn't the next Chris McAllister we are good then.
- dingo8urbaby

Idk, I consider Luke Schenn to be a top pairing dman. If Morin is bigger and better skating than him, then I think we may have a real special shut-down guy for a future top pairing.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
think most people would agree that Flyers first-round pick Sean Couturier is almost a lock to play in the NHL and has an above-average chance at emerging as a two-way impact player. Among the team's five other picks, who knows? If the Flyers get one additional player who goes on become an NHL regular plus one or two others who ever get even a fill-in spot in the NHL, they will have had a successful draft.

At first blush, I think the Flyers have at least a decent shot at finding a second future NHLer among their other picks. Every player has at least one major question mark -- that's why they weren't first-round picks, after all -- but most of them also have foundations off which they can build in the next couple years.

In many ways, third-round pick Nick Cousins fits the typical profile of a forward who goes in the second round. He's a smaller player who is not a speed demon (which is almost a must for a small player to go within the first 30 picks). However, he has already demonstrated that he has a high compete level and an above-average skill set relative to his level of play. Cousins won't even turn 18 until July and has two full major junior seasons under his belt, including a point-per-game season in his draft year. That's three good reasons to feel an early sense of optimism about the pick.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
McKenzie just tweeted that Tim Thomas will explore his options in making a NHL comeback.

There's your goalie

- Jsaquella

That's not happening. We're getting Ellis like everyone wanted three years ago.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
Nah, my first choice is Halak.
- Jsaquella

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 4:38 PM ET
That's not happening. We're getting Ellis like everyone wanted three years ago.
- mayorofangrytown


Just like taking a goon in the third round, Tim Thomas is the most Flyers thing that can happen. Just make sure he stays off facebook
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
That's not happening. We're getting Ellis like everyone wanted three years ago.
- mayorofangrytown



Was that the summer of Josh Harding, too?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
That's not happening. We're getting Ellis like everyone wanted three years ago.
- mayorofangrytown


Just like we got Streit who everyone wanted 3 years ago. I look forward to 2016 when we get Weber
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
Nah, my first choice is Halak.
- Jsaquella


If available and the price is reasonable, agreed.
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
Nah, my first choice is Halak.
- Jsaquella


I prefer Elliott > Halak if trading w the Blues.
1.8m cap hit
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
think most people would agree that Flyers first-round pick Sean Couturier is almost a lock to play in the NHL and has an above-average chance at emerging as a two-way impact player. Among the team's five other picks, who knows? If the Flyers get one additional player who goes on become an NHL regular plus one or two others who ever get even a fill-in spot in the NHL, they will have had a successful draft.

At first blush, I think the Flyers have at least a decent shot at finding a second future NHLer among their other picks. Every player has at least one major question mark -- that's why they weren't first-round picks, after all -- but most of them also have foundations off which they can build in the next couple years.

In many ways, third-round pick Nick Cousins fits the typical profile of a forward who goes in the second round. He's a smaller player who is not a speed demon (which is almost a must for a small player to go within the first 30 picks). However, he has already demonstrated that he has a high compete level and an above-average skill set relative to his level of play. Cousins won't even turn 18 until July and has two full major junior seasons under his belt, including a point-per-game season in his draft year. That's three good reasons to feel an early sense of optimism about the pick.

- Winning


Keep these posts comin they're really interesting
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 4:40 PM ET
The thing is, if Morin was on the top of their draft board, and they felt that somebody else would grab him if they traded down, then it's hard to argue their actions.
- Jsaquella


Just because Morin was high on thier draft board, doesn't mean they couldn't get him or a similiar player 4-5 picks down, while picking up another pick. Like I said, I think it would have been possible to trade down and Pick one of Morin, Pullock, or Zadorov. Then trade what you get plus the 41 and get Shinkaruk or Furcale.

I was completely against trading down, but as soon as you couldn't get Nashville, Carolina, or Edmonton off thier pick and Nichushkin was off the board....

I think what happened is they thought Nichushkin was going to drop to 11, and when he didn't and Ristolinian was gone, they played "eni, mini, miney, morin. Dont pick pullock by the tow...."
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