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Jurco_28
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: 51st state-Canada or Puerto Rico?
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:18 PM ET
to be real, we wont know what teams actually "won" this draft for about another 3-4 years.
Sheppy99
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:18 PM ET
Ballard on waivers......
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
I'm not unhappy with the pick. Nich has the potential to be a superstar, but also has the potential to be filatov or radulov.

EDM went with the safe pick. Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil all LH D prospects. Petry and Schultz on the right side in EDM. I like the pick. EDM's D won't be such a liability in the near future

- TheNugeIsHuge

Not a Diagle?
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
to be real, we wont know what teams actually "won" this draft for about another 3-4 years.
- Jurco_28

As always.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
A team had him 4th on their list.
- pker2theend


Jonathan Willis was laughing because he had a sub-PPG season, but this is a guy you can't just look at his stat line n say he won't turn out to be a great player. I definitely think he's better than Shinkaruk, who I think is 1 dimensional, but a workhorse at the same time. In time he could be a ROR type player if he turns out IMO
pker2theend
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pamela Anderson Lee released a
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
Ballard on waivers......
- Sheppy99


An hour ago.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:22 PM ET
The whole not trading within the division thing is one of the stupider things you see within professional sports. Passing up trades that would make you comparatively stronger relative to the other 29 teams in the league in order to limit the capabilities of one team does nothing to help a team win the cup.

It does the opposite.

- Pookie

Please explain how a 2nd round pick and a roster player from the 7th worst team would make us comparatively stronger. I think you're just upset that you didn't get Cory, but then again we've been told so many times how much of a better goalie DD is, to bad your management doesn't feel the same.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:22 PM ET
to be real, we wont know what teams actually "won" this draft for about another 3-4 years.
- Jurco_28


you can say the same thing about the Schneider trade. But Horvat'll have to be quite good to have VAN win that one. I think Schneider's gonna win a vezina or two in his career.
pker2theend
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pamela Anderson Lee released a
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 1 @ 3:22 PM ET
Jonathan Willis was laughing because he had a sub-PPG season, but this is a guy you can't just look at his stat line n say he won't turn out to be a great player. I definitely think he's better than Shinkaruk, who I think is 1 dimensional, but a workhorse at the same time. In time he could be a ROR type player if he turns out IMO
- TheNugeIsHuge


Meh only time will tell. I was just wishing we would trade edler for some more young player, personally I think its time for the canucks to rebuild, I'm getting real sick of our core right now. The canucks have enough assets for a 2-3 year rebuild.
Jurco_28
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: 51st state-Canada or Puerto Rico?
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:23 PM ET
you can say the same thing about the Schneider trade. But Horvat'll have to be quite good to have VAN win that one. I think Schneider's gonna win a vezina or two in his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I just think its funny for all these pundits to hand out grades and all.
Jurco_28
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: 51st state-Canada or Puerto Rico?
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:24 PM ET
Meh only time will tell. I was just wishing we would trade edler for some more young player, personally I think its time for the canucks to rebuild, I'm getting real sick of our core right now. The canucks have enough assets for a 2-3 year rebuild.
- pker2theend

I was reading (a rumor of course) that the wings offer for Edler was Smith and Tatar. Again just a rumor.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:25 PM ET
Please explain how a 2nd round pick and a roster player from the 7th worst team would make us comparatively stronger. I think you're just upset that you didn't get Cory, but then again we've been told so many times how much of a better goalie DD is, to bad your management doesn't feel the same.
- A_SteamingLombardi


well as you can see, VAN's prospect depth, is poop.

7th overall+37th(where Zykov, Santini, Bowey were all available)+a good prospect>9th overall.

And Dubey's a fine goalie. No one thinks he's better than Schneider, but the difference between the two is not worth stripping most of EDM's non roster assets.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:25 PM ET
That's pretty ridiculous.

Some had him as low as 14 (still pretty close to 10), and some had him as high as the top 5.

Personally, I would have preferred Nichushkin, but Horvat is still an excellent pick.

- Fosco

As per Mac at the draft, one team had him at 4.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:26 PM ET
We just opened up 9 million. 13.5 if booth is bought out.
Leafs won't make the playoffs this year, unless there is another shortened season.

- Scooby_Doo

Leafs take the second best team to 7 games. Vancouver gets swept.

Toronto makes upgrades, Vancouver loses their best goalie, and is stuck with a guy that doesn't want to be there.


yea- you got reasons to be cocky
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:29 PM ET
you can say the same thing about the Schneider trade. But Horvat'll have to be quite good to have VAN win that one. I think Schneider's gonna win a vezina or two in his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I won't disagree. But ROR or Mike Richards is propably being conservative for Horvat. He was easily the best player on the Knights during the playoffs and mem cup.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:29 PM ET
well as you can see, VAN's prospect depth, is poop.

7th overall+37th(where Zykov, Santini, Bowey were all available)+a good prospect>9th overall.

And Dubey's a fine goalie. No one thinks he's better than Schneider, but the difference between the two is not worth stripping most of EDM's non roster assets.

- TheNugeIsHuge

So the 37th would make us comparatively stronger, thanks.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Jul 1 @ 3:29 PM ET

This is excellent research.
According to TSN Aquieni was in Florida at Luongo's house to tell him before the trade was announced. Keep trolling

- Bieksa#3


He never talked to him. do your own research.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:32 PM ET
Please explain how a 2nd round pick and a roster player from the 7th worst team would make us comparatively stronger. I think you're just upset that you didn't get Cory, but then again we've been told so many times how much of a better goalie DD is, to bad your management doesn't feel the same.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Who was the roster player? Horcoff or Hemsky? Unless it was somebody making less the 1 mill and could without question make the roster its a moot point.
Pookie
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.30.2012

Jul 1 @ 3:35 PM ET
So the 37th would make us comparatively stronger, thanks.
- A_SteamingLombardi


It could yes. Lots of 2nd round picks pan out into fantastic players.

The question essentially becomes, is Vancouver worried that the Oilers are going to be the one thing standing between them and a cup? Because that is the only scenario where leaving assets on the table to avoid a trade with Edm would make sense.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:36 PM ET
well as you can see, VAN's prospect depth, is poop.

7th overall+37th(where Zykov, Santini, Bowey were all available)+a good prospect>9th overall.

And Dubey's a fine goalie. No one thinks he's better than Schneider, but the difference between the two is not worth stripping most of EDM's non roster assets.

- T. heNugeIsHuge

Meh, I think Vancouver did better then any team in this draft. Both guys were top 12-15 on most teams radar. As somebody who blasts Vancouver drafting yearly, I am blown away with our haul from this draft. Time will tell but it appears the change in chief scout was a good move
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:39 PM ET
Leafs take the second best team to 7 games. Vancouver gets swept.

Toronto makes upgrades, Vancouver loses their best goalie, and is stuck with a guy that doesn't want to be there.


yea- you got reasons to be cocky

- Feeling Glucky?


TO did have a ridiculously lucky shortened season. I suspected they wouldn't change anything, but it's really good that Nonis is upgrading.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 1 @ 3:40 PM ET
Meh, I think Vancouver did better then any team in this draft. Both guys were top 12-15 on most teams radar. As somebody who blasts Vancouver drafting yearly, I am blown away with our haul from this draft. Time will tell but it appears the change in chief scout was a good move
- Bieksa#3

Exactly, I'll take our 2 first rounders over Calgary's 3 any day of the week.

Edit: and we finally took a WHLer.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 3:40 PM ET
It could yes. Lots of 2nd round picks pan out into fantastic players.

The question essentially becomes, is Vancouver worried that the Oilers are going to be the one thing standing between them and a cup? Because that is the only scenario where leaving assets on the table to avoid a trade with Edm would make sense.

- Pookie

I think that had a lot to do with it. Edm as per tsn made a huge play for bob as well. It would appear they don't believe in dubby
Jurco_28
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: 51st state-Canada or Puerto Rico?
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:40 PM ET
TO did have a ridiculously lucky shortened season. I suspected they wouldn't change anything, but it's really good that Nonis is upgrading.
- TheNugeIsHuge

do you think the Leafs make the playoffs with the Wings and Jackets moving into the conference?
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:41 PM ET
So the 37th would make us comparatively stronger, thanks.
- A_SteamingLombardi


you get a better prospect at 7, and 2 other good prospects. Tell me a W prospect that VAN has that's better than Zykov.
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