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MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 1 @ 12:33 PM ET
So would I. Nino is a very good prospect. If Minny likes him, which they probably do then they'll think they got a steal.
- Lahey

I don't know if it was a steal or not, that remains to be seen depending on if the Wild can properly develop him. But that being said, the Wild knew what they had and lost in Clutterbuck. He had an off season last year and likely was asking for more money than Fletch thought he was worth or willing to pay him based on what he brought to the Wild offense. Wild need goal scorers, Cal was not a goal scorer, although he brought a solid physical aspect to the Wild that they needed, even though his physical play was down a bit this season.

Personally after watching Clutterbuck over the course of his NHL career, even though he was a fan favorite here, I think he's slightly overrated in regards to his physical play his career stats withstanding. He just couldn't factor enough into the scoring aspect to warrant offering him a fat contract. It will be interesting to see what the Isles offer him.

I'm just wondering why NY gave up on Nino so fast given his prospect status. Either they thought he was high maintenance and not worth the trouble, or they really thought Clutterbuck was a good fit for their program and were willing to give up a top propsect that wasn't fitting well along with the no. 70 overall pick.(which they selected goalie Eamon McAdam with)
dermor
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 10.05.2010

Jul 1 @ 12:41 PM ET
Nurse was a terrible pick at 7. He wasn't even the best D available. If you are an Oilers fan looking for someone to blame for the last 5 years, look no further than Kevin Lowe. Decisions like this come from the group think that happens around a boardroom table headed by Lowe. The best thing for the Oilers would be a complete cleaning of the front office. Bring Brian Burke in to run the whole show and you'll see a cup in 3 years.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 12:43 PM ET
Nurse was a terrible pick at 7. He wasn't even the best D available. If you are an Oilers fan looking for someone to blame for the last 5 years, look no further than Kevin Lowe. Decisions like this come from the group think that happens around a boardroom table headed by Lowe. The best thing for the Oilers would be a complete cleaning of the front office. Bring Brian Burke in to run the whole show and you'll see a cup in 3 years.
- dermor

Considered the best total dman after Jones. Yeah what idiots. Get lost.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 1 @ 12:47 PM ET
Nurse was a terrible pick at 7. He wasn't even the best D available. If you are an Oilers fan looking for someone to blame for the last 5 years, look no further than Kevin Lowe. Decisions like this come from the group think that happens around a boardroom table headed by Lowe. The best thing for the Oilers would be a complete cleaning of the front office. Bring Brian Burke in to run the whole show and you'll see a cup in 3 years.
- dermor


STFU

Was highest Dman available on every draft rank list.

Brian Burke my ass....what a blow hard.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 1 @ 12:48 PM ET
Nurse was a terrible pick at 7. He wasn't even the best D available. If you are an Oilers fan looking for someone to blame for the last 5 years, look no further than Kevin Lowe. Decisions like this come from the group think that happens around a boardroom table headed by Lowe. The best thing for the Oilers would be a complete cleaning of the front office. Bring Brian Burke in to run the whole show and you'll see a cup in 3 years.
- dermor

Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 1 @ 12:50 PM ET

- Reveen

dermor
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 10.05.2010

Jul 1 @ 12:52 PM ET
Considered the best total dman after Jones. Yeah what idiots. Get lost.
- TheTaoOfSemenko


Intelligent response. I guess, like Mac T, you are waiting for for Kevin Lowe to tell you what to say.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
Intelligent response. I guess, like Mac T, you are waiting for for Kevin Lowe to tell you what to say.
- dermor

Yeah pal that particular horse was beaten to death years ago, so making that joke doesn't exactly make you the smartest peanut in the turd.

It's the truth though. Work on your trolling. Currently it's about as good as bsteinleys actual posts. That's not a compliment.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 1 @ 12:56 PM ET
Hey laughs a new AVGN episode is out.
- nayefj


Thanks for letting me know

Bill and Ted lol... Should be interesting
JmanOilFan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Red Deer, AB
Joined: 03.12.2012

Jul 1 @ 12:59 PM ET
Holy Clouts just pounding the panic button. Rome wasn't built overnight, never mind fixing Steve Tambellini's disaster.

How did Mac T do a bad job? Im not even saying he did great but you are not seeing any positives. He was in on a lot of players that the Oilers could really use, which is probably why you're disappointed. Not plugs, not projects, but players we could use. Are you mad we didn't overpay? Would you have given Nurse, the five picks we got out of trading ONE 2nd round pick, AND a top prospect for Corey Schneider? Not me. Can you blame Mac T for not getting Coburn? He tried all day. He had Fucale targeted but what are you going to do when they take him one pick ahead?

At the same time, it's not over. You said yourself Hemsky wouldn't be dealt till mid July and I think they buyout Horcoff. Why say that tho? Who would trade for him when they know you'll buy him out? Mac T is now chasing Horton who would be a nice fit. Doesn't mean 100% he will get him, but don't forget Mac T was a big part in landing Justin Schultz last year.

Relax man.
kingbrehm
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Ferguson
Joined: 01.16.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:01 PM ET
Nurse was a terrible pick at 7. He wasn't even the best D available. If you are an Oilers fan looking for someone to blame for the last 5 years, look no further than Kevin Lowe. Decisions like this come from the group think that happens around a boardroom table headed by Lowe. The best thing for the Oilers would be a complete cleaning of the front office. Bring Brian Burke in to run the whole show and you'll see a cup in 3 years.
- dermor


You're right, Seth Jones was the best D available. We should have picked him.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:01 PM ET
You're right, Seth Jones was the best D available. We should have picked him.
- kingbrehm

STOOPID MACT LOLZIPOPZ!
kingbrehm
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Ferguson
Joined: 01.16.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:03 PM ET
How can you say MacT has a bad day and falls on his face with he turns the #37 pick into #82, #88, #94, #96 and #113? Regardless of the round 5 to 1 is a nice deal.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
This board is pretty telling....

The regulars and actual people that can talk hockey and sound like they know what they are talking about are all fine with the progression.

The fair weather guys, including Clouts, are all expecting miracles.

The draft was fine. Loaded up on a lot of size with skill. Would I have liked to see us make a trade to move up? Yes. But if you noticed there was no one else that did either. Prices were ridiculous. As for the MacT hate? WTF are you guys on? He has been THE busiest GM in the past month. Juggling many deals.
Lets take a look:

Clutterbuck deal: They got Nino. Would we have been willing to give up Klefbom? Cuz that's what it would take to beat that deal.

Bolland: Yes he came at a price we could probably have matched. But the price was higher for us being in the West. He is also not ideally what we need. A 3C fo 3.4 million. Yes he's a younger and slightly cheaper. But he is a bandaid. Has never played a full season.

Schneider: If the asking price was as stated then I'm sure as hell we didn't do it.

As for drafting Nurse over Nich. I'm glad. Not sure if any of you caught the TSN projections when guys got drafted but they had an NHL ETA at the bottom of the screen. Outside of the top 4 none of them were projected to be in the NHL for 2-3 years. Nurse will be a stud. We need to keep stocking the prospect cupboards and let guys develop. Not hope for a rookie to come into the line up and fix our problems.

Coburn: Deal still may happen. It's not MacT holding it up. It's Philly. They are not sure they want to move him. But guys on here are talking like he's our savior. The majority of Philly fans are saying "take him".

People need to chill the (frank) out and quit listening to guys like Cloutier. The man is a (frank)ing idiot. There is still a long way to go this summer and I'll wait to see what we put on the ice in September.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:05 PM ET
Lowe must go.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:05 PM ET
This board is pretty telling....

The regulars and actual people that can talk hockey and sound like they know what they are talking about are all fine with the progression.

The fair weather guys, including Clouts, are all expecting miracles.

The draft was fine. Loaded up on a lot of size with skill. Would I have liked to see us make a trade to move up? Yes. But if you noticed there was no one else that did either. Prices were ridiculous. As for the MacT hate? WTF are you guys on? He has been THE busiest GM in the past month. Juggling many deals.
Lets take a look:

Clutterbuck deal: They got Nino. Would we have been willing to give up Klefbom? Cuz that's what it would take to beat that deal.

Bolland: Yes he came at a price we could probably have matched. But the price was higher for us being in the West. He is also not ideally what we need. A 3C fo 3.4 million. Yes he's a younger and slightly cheaper. But he is a bandaid. Has never played a full season.

Schneider: If the asking price was as stated then I'm sure as hell we didn't do it.

As for drafting Nurse over Nich. I'm glad. Not sure if any of you caught the TSN projections when guys got drafted but they had an NHL ETA at the bottom of the screen. Outside of the top 4 none of them were projected to be in the NHL for 2-3 years. Nurse will be a stud. We need to keep stocking the prospect cupboards and let guys develop. Not hope for a rookie to come into the line up and fix our problems.

Coburn: Deal still may happen. It's not MacT holding it up. It's Philly. They are not sure they want to move him. But guys on here are talking like he's our savior. The majority of Philly fans are saying "take him".

People need to chill the (frank) out and quit listening to guys like Cloutier. The man is a (frank)ing idiot. There is still a long way to go this summer and I'll wait to see what we put on the ice in September.

- Iggysbff

It's embarassing to read Oiler comments from yesterday. Then again I can see why they spent all day on hockey boards crying like babies. No real people would be able to hang around them.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 1 @ 1:05 PM ET
Intelligent response. I guess, like Mac T, you are waiting for for Kevin Lowe to tell you what to say.
- dermor


You're funny. Go back to your board and tell Gillis, Gilman and Aquilinni how to run your franchise.
kingbrehm
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Ferguson
Joined: 01.16.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
This board is pretty telling....

The regulars and actual people that can talk hockey and sound like they know what they are talking about are all fine with the progression.

The fair weather guys, including Clouts, are all expecting miracles.

The draft was fine. Loaded up on a lot of size with skill. Would I have liked to see us make a trade to move up? Yes. But if you noticed there was no one else that did either. Prices were ridiculous. As for the MacT hate? WTF are you guys on? He has been THE busiest GM in the past month. Juggling many deals.
Lets take a look:

Clutterbuck deal: They got Nino. Would we have been willing to give up Klefbom? Cuz that's what it would take to beat that deal.

Bolland: Yes he came at a price we could probably have matched. But the price was higher for us being in the West. He is also not ideally what we need. A 3C fo 3.4 million. Yes he's a younger and slightly cheaper. But he is a bandaid. Has never played a full season.

Schneider: If the asking price was as stated then I'm sure as hell we didn't do it.

As for drafting Nurse over Nich. I'm glad. Not sure if any of you caught the TSN projections when guys got drafted but they had an NHL ETA at the bottom of the screen. Outside of the top 4 none of them were projected to be in the NHL for 2-3 years. Nurse will be a stud. We need to keep stocking the prospect cupboards and let guys develop. Not hope for a rookie to come into the line up and fix our problems.

Coburn: Deal still may happen. It's not MacT holding it up. It's Philly. They are not sure they want to move him. But guys on here are talking like he's our savior. The majority of Philly fans are saying "take him".

People need to chill the (frank) out and quit listening to guys like Cloutier. The man is a (frank)ing idiot. There is still a long way to go this summer and I'll wait to see what we put on the ice in September.

- Iggysbff




Ben Betker is top pairing with J. Shultz this year.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
It's embarassing to read Oiler comments from yesterday. Then again I can see why they spent all day on hockey boards crying like babies. No real people would be able to hang around them.
- Lahey



To true. Geez people expect (frank)ing miracles.
Hemsky4Prez
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.06.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
Intelligent response. I guess, like Mac T, you are waiting for for Kevin Lowe to tell you what to say.
- dermor

You're an un-informed troll... Nothing more & nothing less!
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:07 PM ET
It's embarassing to read Oiler comments from yesterday. Then again I can see why they spent all day on hockey boards crying like babies. No real people would be able to hang around them.
- Lahey

Disheartening. People lose their (frank)in minds around the draft. Im fine with yesterday. Now if we go into next season with no moves being made....
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jul 1 @ 1:07 PM ET
MacT obviously didn't try to get anyone, because he didn't succeed. We all know that every time you try to acquire someone, you do.

Nurse and all of the other picks the Oilers made sucked. I know this because immediately after the draft I time-traveled to the year 2023, and none of them had done (frank)-all in the NHL. (frank) everything!

Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:09 PM ET
Disheartening. People lose their (frank)in minds around the draft. Im fine with yesterday. Now if we go into next season with no moves being made....
- TheTaoOfSemenko

It's funny because people complain we don't have more middle draft picks for this draft, we get them and still complain. Yet we got some real solid picks with those extra ones.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
MacT obviously didn't try to get anyone, because he didn't succeed. We all know that every time you try to acquire someone, you do.

Nurse and all of the other picks the Oilers made sucked. I know this because immediately after the draft I time-traveled to the year 2023, and none of them had done (frank)-all in the NHL. (frank) everything!

- laughs2907

RACIST
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
MacT obviously didn't try to get anyone, because he didn't succeed. We all know that every time you try to acquire someone, you do.

Nurse and all of the other picks the Oilers made sucked. I know this because immediately after the draft I time-traveled to the year 2023, and none of them had done (frank)-all in the NHL. (frank) everything!

- laughs2907

TSN gave the Oilers a B+ for this draft.

Cloutier called it a miserable failure.

Who you gonna believe???
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