I read somewhere that this might happen.
- EKolb13

right after Toews is dealt for Aaron rome

Nope that was iggys mom on a airplane

I 100% agree with your point.
- Bieksa#3

Some things never change....Beeker#3 still acting like a total dink...

DCT is schnieders biggest fan. He's just letting his pride and love of Schneider get in the way of what's actually happening.
- Bieksa#3

Nope. This has nothing to do with me being a Schneider fan & a Luongo hater. What's happening is bad business all the way around.

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

whoa. edler is way too inconsistent to be worth as much as kesler imo.

a healthy kesler is one of the premier 2 way centers in the game. like same league as bergeron, toews etc. for reals.

thought he was pretty great in the sj series. their best player in at least a couple games imo.
i dont think its a question of whether he can be dominant again, cause he sorta proved that already. albeit in a small sample. but more can he stay healthy.
of course his injury history makes him a question mark, and prob drops his value abit. but thats only in relation to almost untouchable from a few years back when he scored 40 and won the selke.

id pay a ton to acquire him.

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

How about Schneider and 24 for Bishop and 3

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

I think it's more that that. I think edler is viewed around the league as a good #3 defenseman. He'll make mistakes that cause you to shake your head and he won't take the body much, and when he does you shake your head because he's GOOD at it. On his good nights he's a #2 and on his bad nights he can look like a #5, but his contract is decent for his age and he's signed longer term.

Kesler's value is cloudy. I think if you move him now you lose value with his injury history and if he does play a full season and produce then it'll get a gm canned if he takes too little, but no one gives you fair value until he plays a full season and puts up the numbers again. He's too risky to move until he shows he can play a full season effectively again. I wouldn't move him because you won't get fair value for him until he can stay healthy.

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

Damn....if I knew that Drouin or Mackinnon could step in right away like a Crosby, or ovechkin or Nuge or Kane(Patty) I'd throw the kitchen sink in. Like KES+Edler+2013 1st+2014 1st+ Tanev+Lack for 2nd overall+ 1 of gudbranson/kulikov/Petrovic

Some things never change....Beeker#3 still acting like a total dink...
- Iggysbff

Relax, its a joke

Nope. This has nothing to do with me being a Schneider fan & a Luongo hater. What's happening is bad business all the way around.
- DrChristianTroy

what I'm saying is its not a smoke screen. If somebody knocks the socks off of gilles' fat feet Schneider will be traded

How about Schneider and 24 for Bishop and 3
- Bieksa#3

that's tough. Does Yzerman feel he's got a goalie to build with in Bishop or Lindback? If he does, no way he gives up the #3. If he doesn't, Schneider is very attractive. I think if the Canucks were drafting in the 10th position and you offered that with Schneider he'd have to think about it. Ultimately I think the 24 isn't enough to drop from #3, even though I think Schneider is a solid starter. Bishop could be good enough, but he could also have benefited from Ottawa's system. It might be too early for Yzerman to know what he has in net to make that deal. Now if Bishop and Lindback both flop at the beginning of the season he'd probably be kicking himself for turning it down.

Damn....if I knew that Drouin or Mackinnon could step in right away like a Crosby, or ovechkin or Nuge or Kane(Patty) I'd throw the kitchen sink in. Like KES+Edler+2013 1st+2014 1st+ Tanev+Lack for 2nd overall+ 1 of gudbranson/kulikov/Petrovic
- I-own_da-Northwest

Get Kane out of that comment. One of these things is not like the others

Some things never change....Beeker#3 still acting like a total dink...
- Iggysbff

he's actually discussing hockey and being quite reasonable. That was just a joke in response to my post.

Get Kane out of that comment. One of these things is not like the others
- Bieksa#3

The kids a complete arrogant little fu**er that id love to punch in the teeth, but even I have to say he's a game changer when he wants to be.

The kids a complete arrogant little fu**er that id love to punch in the teeth, but even I have to say he's a game changer when he wants to be.
- I-own_da-Northwest

He's a great player but he's not close to movie and crosby

I bet Gillis got Schneider's permission to throw his name out there with no intention of trading him just to mind(frank) the teams that are waiting for Luongo to be bought out.
- DrChristianTroy

The kids a complete arrogant little fu**er that id love to punch in the teeth, but even I have to say he's a game changer when he wants to be.
- I-own_da-Northwest

my only problem with Kane is that he's sometimes not as visible as you'd think he should be. I still disagreed with him winning the conn smythe. I thought that was crawford for sure.

He's a great player but he's not close to movie and crosby
- Bieksa#3

Granted, but he was able to step into their line-up and do well in the same season he was drafted...that's all I'm saying is that if we could get a pick that could join the line-up and play and a young d-man that could be trusted as a solid 3rd pairing guy...why not send a bunch out, go younger and create a lil cap room in the process.

my only problem with Kane is that he's sometimes not as visible as you'd think he should be. I still disagreed with him winning the conn smythe. I thought that was crawford for sure.
- Isles_since_6

For sure and if Boston had of won...Rask for sure. Great goaltending dual

that's tough. Does Yzerman feel he's got a goalie to build with in Bishop or Lindback? If he does, no way he gives up the #3. If he doesn't, Schneider is very attractive. I think if the Canucks were drafting in the 10th position and you offered that with Schneider he'd have to think about it. Ultimately I think the 24 isn't enough to drop from #3, even though I think Schneider is a solid starter. Bishop could be good enough, but he could also have benefited from Ottawa's system. It might be too early for Yzerman to know what he has in net to make that deal. Now if Bishop and Lindback both flop at the beginning of the season he'd probably be kicking himself for turning it down.
- Isles_since_6

trading major assets to acquire lindback, bishop and schneider all in a 1 year span is ridiculous.
fired

Hate to say it but your way off Stu
- Bieksa#3

I don't know. I view the premium for defense as very, very high. Maybe that's because TB doesn't have much defense.

whoa. edler is way too inconsistent to be worth as much as kesler imo.

a healthy kesler is one of the premier 2 way centers in the game. like same league as bergeron, toews etc. for reals.

thought he was pretty great in the sj series. their best player in at least a couple games imo.
i dont think its a question of whether he can be dominant again, cause he sorta proved that already. albeit in a small sample. but more can he stay healthy.
of course his injury history makes him a question mark, and prob drops his value abit. but thats only in relation to almost untouchable from a few years back when he scored 40 and won the selke.

id pay a ton to acquire him.
- hugefemale dog77

That's the key though, isn't it? Like I said, his injury history is what holds his value back (for me). Healthy, like you said, he's one of the best in the game and any team would love to have him. I think he's a great player, but in today's trade market I think that Edler would have more value. A top-pairing defenseman on a contract like Edler's is worth a fortune. A maybe-healthy Kesler who may or may not get back to the form that made him famous is a big question mark as far as value in my mind.

I think it's damn close. I don't think you'd have to add your first rounder to get there. Perhaps you add a second in with Edler and get the deal done. Carolina needs defense of the puck-moving variety, and there aren't many guys like that available. Edler's one, and he's got good upside.

I don't think you'd get inside the top-4 for Edler (i.e. MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov), but Nichushkin down doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

EDIT - It's important to remember that there's a HUGE premium on defense right now. Gonchar got $5MM from Dallas. Edler at $5.5MM and locked in is worth a lot more that people think, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

Edler is only getting 5 mil per for the next 6 years

Wow tomorrow is gonna be an interesting day or a very boring nothing day....I'm hoping for the former.

Love the idea of a real "reset" from Chubby Cheeks...no I'm not talking about Nonuts.

Edler is only getting 5 mil per for the next 6 years
- IanEsplen

My mistake (fixed now. Don't know why I thought $5.5MM). Even better.

My mistake (fixed now. Don't know why I thought $5.5MM). Even better.
- Michael_Stuart

Alright, Edler and 24 for 3?