You're probably right, more about the adding salary and the loss of youth. Maybe I'd make it Schneider, Kesler for Strome, Nino, Okoposo and the 15th, I think we lose slighty on that deal, but it's probably better than the other one I suggested.
- DariusKnight

not sure I'd be comfortable giving up likely our best two offensive prospects who both should be on the team next season and getting kesler back with schneider. Giving up Okposo and the 15th in that as well is a pretty steep price.

I'd be more comfortable giving up a couple of middle range prospects and Strome if we had to for Schneider alone. Kesler's a bit of a risk with a high salary and a pretty bad injury history lately.

A 1-2 punch of Tavares and Kesler from 2011 would be incredibly interesting, but the last couple years of Kesler leaves me wondering if he can get his game back to that level or if it was a one off.

I still like the idea of dealing Edler for the 5th, keeping Schneider and waiving Luongo or trading him for a minimal return. Ballard under Torts could help replace Edler, or you could buyout Ballard and go out and sign a top 6 UFA to solve the scoring woes while keeping the better, younger goalie. Getting the 5th pick also helps the prospect pool right away so you could argue that this way the team gets better and younger.
- Nucker101

I think that both accomplish the same thing (i.e. getting younger); it's just a matter of preference. Personally, I'd love to see Couturier down the middle with the Canucks and Simmonds on the wing. Then you could go out and draft a D-man (like Zadorov) and ease him in. The loss of Edler and Schneider, at that point, would be minimal. You add those pieces in front of Luongo and you're a better team than you are today with Schneider. Just my $0.02. Like I said though, total pipe dream.

I bet Gillis got Schneider's permission to throw his name out there with no intention of trading him just to mind(frank) the teams that are waiting for Luongo to be bought out.
- DrChristianTroy

Nah there's no way Gillis is that crafty (don't tell anyone but he's a terrible GM shhhh). You can bet the first teams to call on Schneider are the teams interested in the bought out Luongo.

Judging by what he wants answers your question on whether they will buy out Lu or not.

I think at this point, you have to bite the bullet and trade Schneider if the owner isn't willing to cut a cheque to Luongo. You need to do something or else blow the team up completely and tank next year. The fact remains that with the cap going down, and an owner in potential financial trouble, your options are limited to try and improve, or even just maintain the team at it's current level.
- DariusKnight

It's not like he is cutting Lou a cheque for 30 million. Its what? 2 million a year spread out over 15 years?

Yeah I kinda thought we'd have to add more but then again I have to watch Edler's fu** ups every game/all year long lol. I think if the get the 5th for him straight across or maybe just a third...we take it and run(2nd rd'r was traded to Dallas) then maybe we could add Schroeder with that 5th and try to move into the top 3... Mackinnon, Drouin or Barkov. I thought jones was aweful anytime I watched him live.
- I-own_da-Northwest

I don't think you'll get into the top three for Schroeder and the 5th. The price to move up, per many, is ridiculously high.

Yeah I kinda thought we'd have to add more but then again I have to watch Edler's fu** ups every game/all year long lol. I think if the get the 5th for him straight across or maybe just a third...we take it and run(2nd rd'r was traded to Dallas) then maybe we could add Schroeder with that 5th and try to move into the top 3... Mackinnon, Drouin or Barkov. I thought jones was aweful anytime I watched him live.
- I-own_da-Northwest

no way you'd even move from 5th to 4th only adding schroeder. I don't think he's a very highly regarded prospect around the league due to his lack of size and lack of stats last year. He may develop or may not, but I don't think he's at all attractive to someone if you're asking them to move down.

I'm not even sure edler is enough for the 5th overall pick.

no way you'd even move from 5th to 4th only adding schroeder. I don't think he's a very highly regarded prospect around the league due to his lack of size and lack of stats last year. He may develop or may not, but I don't think he's at all attractive to someone if you're asking them to move down.
- Isles_since_6

Agreed.

I don't think you'll get into the top three for Schroeder and the 5th. The price to move up, per many, is ridiculously high.
- Michael_Stuart

Ahhhh okay.... Would lack have enough interest maybe to move up 2 spots? Maybe something like

Lack+Schroeder+5th overall to Florida for 2nd overall?

Luongo for the negotiating rights to Horton
- 1970vintage

Hahaha makes sense for Boston.

It's not like he is cutting Lou a cheque for 30 million. Its what? 2 million a year spread out over 15 years?
- Iggysbff

That's a lot of money to pay a guy not on your roster, and Aquillini is in the middle of a really bad divorce and is getting assets frozen by the courts. I know several people who got laid off from one of the couple of golf courses he owns because of lack of cash flow. FA and his brothers have sunk a LOT of money in trying to get condos developed around Rogers Arena, and are also stretched thin. It's not a stretch to say that if FA gets taken to the cleaners by his ex-wife, and the Canucks stop turning a profit that he might have to sell the team in order to stay solvent.

Ahhhh okay.... Would lack have enough interest maybe to move up 2 spots? Maybe something like

Lack+Schroeder+5th overall to Florida for 2nd overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

Still don't think you get there. The teams inside the top-4 seem pretty content with sticking within the top-4. I don't see any of them moving outside.

the other thing I've found is in these trade ideas that we're just throwing around, it's not a fair deal unless it hurts for each team. Losing Strome to get Schneider (just as an example for some ideas tossed around) is something I would absolutely HATE to do, which tells me that it's probably somewhat near what Vancouver fans would think is not quite enough value.

If you're happy with the trade proposal and it doesn't bother you at all, I think it means it's too heavily slanted to one side.

On a brighter note, Bieska#3 and I are carrying on a conversation and actually somewhat agreeing. I think I just saw a pig fly by

Ahhhh okay.... Would lack have enough interest maybe to move up 2 spots? Maybe something like

Lack+Schroeder+5th overall to Florida for 2nd overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

Nope.
Panthers take depth players to move down 3 spots.
That would be like trading Schneider to edm for the 7th and MPS.

the other thing I've found is in these trade ideas that we're just throwing around, it's not a fair deal unless it hurts for each team. Losing Strome to get Schneider (just as an example for some ideas tossed around) is something I would absolutely HATE to do, which tells me that it's probably somewhat near what Vancouver fans would think is not quite enough value.

If you're happy with the trade proposal and it doesn't bother you at all, I think it means it's too heavily slanted to one side.

On a brighter note, Bieska#3 and I are carrying on a conversation and actually somewhat agreeing. I think I just saw a pig fly by
- Isles_since_6

Nope that was iggys mom on a airplane

I 100% agree with your point.

Ahhhh okay.... Would lack have enough interest maybe to move up 2 spots? Maybe something like

Lack+Schroeder+5th overall to Florida for 2nd overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

top 3 are all viewed as possible superstars. No way you get to move up even 2 spots for a goaltending prospect and a small marginal prospect at forward.

Think 5th overall (if they managed to offer a package with edler to carolina and got it done) along with their 24th, maybe Jensen or Tanev. It's going to cost too much to get there.

top 3 are all viewed as possible superstars. No way you get to move up even 2 spots for a goaltending prospect and a small marginal prospect at forward.

Think 5th overall (if they managed to offer a package with edler to carolina and got it done) along with their 24th, maybe Jensen or Tanev. It's going to cost too much to get there.
- Isles_since_6

Agreed

Still don't think you get there. The teams inside the top-4 seem pretty content with sticking within the top-4. I don't see any of them moving outside.
- Michael_Stuart

What do you think Kesler's trade value would be? Does he get the Canucks into the top 4, or would him+ the 24th overall do it? ( lol I'm just throwing these out there, cuz when I actually get serious for a second I'll admit most Canucks fans are too biased and I like to hear outsiders opinions of fair value)

Ahhhh okay.... Would lack have enough interest maybe to move up 2 spots? Maybe something like

Lack+Schroeder+5th overall to Florida for 2nd overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

would you do that deal if you were florida?

Agreed
- Bieksa#3

I also think if the canucks can manage to sneak into the 5th overall spot they'll get one hell of a prospect who should be NHL ready for this coming season. At that point, there's no reason to give up more assets, it'll already been a hell of a success to get that high.

What do you think Kesler's trade value would be? Does he get the Canucks into the top 4, or would him+ the 24th overall do it? ( lol I'm just throwing these out there, cuz when I actually get serious for a second I'll admit most Canucks fans are too biased and I like to hear outsiders opinions of fair value)
- I-own_da-Northwest

if it was just after the 2011 cup final, I think Kesler is a huge chip. At this point, I'm not sure they'd get fair value for him just because he's been injured a lot and hasn't produced at the same pace. They're better to hold onto him and hope he can get back to that form and if he does, then look at moving him. Right now he's too risky.

What do you think Kesler's trade value would be? Does he get the Canucks into the top 4, or would him+ the 24th overall do it? ( lol I'm just throwing these out there, cuz when I actually get serious for a second I'll admit most Canucks fans are too biased and I like to hear outsiders opinions of fair value)
- I-own_da-Northwest

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.

would you do thaat deal if you were florida?
- hugefemale dog77

I take time to consider it because of Lack, but ultimately don't do it because Schroeder sucks

I also think if the canucks can manage to sneak into the 5th overall spot they'll get one hell of a prospect who should be NHL ready for this coming season. At that point, there's no reason to give up more assets, it'll already been a hell of a success to get that high.
- Isles_since_6

Damn it I agree again

One of Droulin/Russian/Barkov.

No. His injury history is really quite concerning from an outsider's perspective. Nobody know's if he'll ever get back to 70+ point level. To get into the top-4, where you're going to likely find immediate 40+ point players on ELC, it's going to cost an absolute fortune.

Edler's more valuable than Kesler, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

Hate to say it but your way off Stu

Schneider to edm for the 7th and MPS.
- Bieksa#3

I read somewhere that this might happen.