I know DCT has explored the possibility, but I'd reiterate his thought that you should deal Edler to Carolina for 5th overall.

I wouldn't stop there though. I'd then look at dealing Schneider and the 5th overall pick to the Flyers for some package involving Couturier/Schenn, Simmonds, and the 11th overall pick. With that pick I'd take Zadorov (or one of Nurse, Ristolainen if available). I'm not sure that Philly makes that deal, but perhaps their ridiculous need for a goalie forces them into a little bit of an overpayment. (My feeling is that both sides will feel that's an overpayment for their respective club, but I don't know)

That's my idea of a real reset. Of course, it's never going to happen.
- Michael_Stuart

As an outsider, in your honest opinion is Edler alone worth the 5th overall?

If that's the plan I think it's backfiring. Now everyone is talking about Schnieder and nobody is talking about Luongo. I think Gillis is in panic mode and trading Schnieder is his only move.
- fiveandagame

If Gillis were panicking, he'd be putting Luongo on waivers with the intention of compliance buying him out. He's got until 11:59pm EST on July 4th to dump enough cap space to start signing players.

IMO there is a better chance of CS being traded then Lu bought out. I've posted this numerous times over the past month or so. That being said the only way it happens is a blue chip young player coming back. I still think philly could snag both Edler and Cory
- Bieksa#3

Holmgren has the balls to make that trade, does Gillis?

If that's the plan I think it's backfiring. Now everyone is talking about Schnieder and nobody is talking about Luongo. I think Gillis is in panic mode and trading Schnieder is his only move.
- fiveandagame

agreed.
that or buyout luongo. which he of course doesnt wanna do.
he knows he cant go into camp again with both

This poop happens all the time. We hear all these things are in the works and imminent until after the fact when the GM tells everyone publicly that nothing of the sort happened at all...

I don't trust one of these rumours...
- Iggysbff

As a Canuck fan who knows Gillis is desperate it's hard to put anything past the realm of possibility right now, I think Gillis will regret making a bold move, the best time to make those kinds of moves is from a position of strength not desperation.

If Gillis were panicking, he'd be putting Luongo on waivers with the intention of compliance buying him out. He's got until 11:59pm EST on July 4th to dump enough cap space to start signing players.
- DariusKnight

panicking might be a strong word. but the point remains, and he's running out of time.

As DCT mentioned earlier, you have to wonder if MG is just pulling this poop and Mac-T agreed to play along with it(they must be on good terms since Mac T was hired to coach the Wolves) in order to see if anyone will give anything up for Luongo at all.
- Nucker101

DCT is schnieders biggest fan. He's just letting his pride and love of Schneider get in the way of what's actually happening.

As an outsider, in your honest opinion is Edler alone worth the 5th overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

Might have to include the Canucks first or someone like Schroeder and a 3rd.

If I'm Gilles I run with Coutourier, Simmons and the 11th. IMO Vancouver improves large in this deal
- Bieksa#3

If you could land that package for Edler and Schneider in one swoop, Gillis would be foolish not to take it. That's sort of where I was going with my proposal (albeit in two steps), as I think Couturier, Simmonds, and the 11th pick would be the best package to give the Canucks that reset.

If that's the plan I think it's backfiring. Now everyone is talking about Schnieder and nobody is talking about Luongo. I think Gillis is in panic mode and trading Schnieder is his only move.
- fiveandagame

How does it help? Lou will not be there next year. He has made that pretty clear. This is just making a bigger mess.

If Gillis were panicking, he'd be putting Luongo on waivers with the intention of compliance buying him out. He's got until 11:59pm EST on July 4th to dump enough cap space to start signing players.
- DariusKnight

I have a feeling aquillini is not going to sign that cheque.

DCT is schnieders biggest fan. He's just letting his pride and love of Schneider get in the way of what's actually happening.
- Bieksa#3

DCT is one of the smartest Canuck fans on this site, I agree that he's obviously biased in this though. I'm with him 100% on this one though, trading Schneider will be a mistake.

How does it help? Lou will not be there next year. He has made that pretty clear. This is just making a bigger mess.
- Iggysbff

With a new coach and the starting job, Luongo might be OK staying. Who knows.

If I'm Gilles I run with Coutourier, Simmons and the 11th. IMO Vancouver improves large in this deal
- Bieksa#3

Well to me there's a big difference between Matt Read a pending UFA and the 11th pick. I don't think that trade with Philly giving up the 11th works for value and financial reasons. Have you seen their cap situation, even after the buyouts?

As an outsider, in your honest opinion is Edler alone worth the 5th overall?
- I-own_da-Northwest

I think it's damn close. I don't think you'd have to add your first rounder to get there. Perhaps you add a second in with Edler and get the deal done. Carolina needs defense of the puck-moving variety, and there aren't many guys like that available. Edler's one, and he's got good upside.

I don't think you'd get inside the top-4 for Edler (i.e. MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov), but Nichushkin down doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

EDIT - It's important to remember that there's a HUGE premium on defense right now. Gonchar got $5MM from Dallas. Edler at $5MM and locked in is worth a lot more that people think, IMO.

Well to me there's a big difference between Matt Read a pending UFA and the 11th pick. I don't think that trade with Philly giving up the 11th works for value and financial reasons. Have you seen their cap situation, even after the buyouts?
- Nucker101

That's why I went with the two step proposal to save them the dollars.

agreed.
that or buyout luongo. which he of course doesnt wanna do.
he knows he cant go into camp again with both
- hugefemale dog77

Does he do the unthinkable and trade Schneider and waive/buyout Lu? Sign mike Smith

How does it help? Lou will not be there next year. He has made that pretty clear. This is just making a bigger mess.
- Iggysbff

Exactly, that's just a weird and bizarre situation at this point.

If you could land that package for Edler and Schneider in one swoop, Gillis would be foolish not to take it. That's sort of where I was going with my proposal (albeit in two steps), as I think Couturier, Simmonds, and the 11th pick would be the best package to give the Canucks that reset.
- Michael_Stuart

I like that deal a lot. The Canucks get bigger, younger and better in their top 9 and they get 2 first round picks

DCT is one of the smartest Canuck fans on this site, I agree that he's obviously biased in this though. I'm with him 100% on this one though, trading Schneider will be a mistake.
- Nucker101

I think at this point, you have to bite the bullet and trade Schneider if the owner isn't willing to cut a cheque to Luongo. You need to do something or else blow the team up completely and tank next year. The fact remains that with the cap going down, and an owner in potential financial trouble, your options are limited to try and improve, or even just maintain the team at it's current level.

I have a feeling aquillini is not going to sign that cheque.
- fiveandagame

Its as much his fault for the contract as Gillis's. Its Gillis that should have dealt with this earlier though.

If Mike Gillis trades Schneider for anyone less than Hall or Crosby or Kane, he needs to be fired! Schneider is the goalie of the future for the Canucks.

If JT Miller is available from NYR, he would make a great Canuck, but not for Lack & Hansen. Hansen is one of the most underrated players in the NHL. He can skate, score, and hit. Hansen can play on any line, the powerplay, and the penalty kill.

As much as I don't want to lose Luongo, he needs to be traded. A 2nd round pick is better than nothing (compliance buyout).

Wake up Mike Gillis!

That's why I went with the two step proposal to save them the dollars.
- Michael_Stuart

I still like the idea of dealing Edler for the 5th, keeping Schneider and waiving Luongo or trading him for a minimal return. Ballard under Torts could help replace Edler, or you could buyout Ballard and go out and sign a top 6 UFA to solve the scoring woes while keeping the better, younger goalie. Getting the 5th pick also helps the prospect pool right away so you could argue that this way the team gets better and younger.

How does it help? Lou will not be there next year. He has made that pretty clear. This is just making a bigger mess.
- Iggysbff

you'd have to assume that luongo gets spoken to and any broken fences are mended before they dealt schneider.
these guys are adults and pro athletes. it's the name of the game.

it's the same with horcoff kinda imo. im sure mact is trying to find a deal and may in fact buy him out. but its not like horcs can never put on the oiler jersey again just because mact said it might be best for his career to get a fresh start.
again, these are adults and clearly have respect for each other.
nothing would surprise me. including luongo as the starter next year in van, nor horcoff on the oilers opening day roster

I think it's damn close. I don't think you'd have to add your first rounder to get there. Perhaps you add a second in with Edler and get the deal done. Carolina needs defense of the puck-moving variety, and there aren't many guys like that available. Edler's one, and he's got good upside.

I don't think you'd get inside the top-4 for Edler (i.e. MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov), but Nichushkin down doesn't seem like a stretch to me.
- Michael_Stuart

Yeah I kinda thought we'd have to add more but then again I have to watch Edler's fu** ups every game/all year long lol. I think if the get the 5th for him straight across or maybe just a third...we take it and run(2nd rd'r was traded to Dallas) then maybe we could add Schroeder with that 5th and try to move into the top 3... Mackinnon, Drouin or Barkov. I thought jones was aweful anytime I watched him live.