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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 10:21 AM ET
Coburn I think could fecth quite a return
- griouxmvp2012

I cringe when I think of this D
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:22 AM ET
Only way profar is being dealt is if david price is going to texas
- phatpat44


Why do you say that? They just signed Elvis Andrus to a huge extension and the Rangers have money.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:22 AM ET
certainly more than Mez. I'm just nervous to get rid of a guy who is fairly reliable when paired with another top 4 dman.
- PhillySportsGuy


Mesz would be a salary dump. Coburn would be a talent dump we'd be unlikely to replace.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:24 AM ET
and a good playoff performer and generally pretty healthy
- Dkos


I don't see any reason to deal any of the defenseman unless something very favorable comes along. This is a defense core with old age and serious injury history.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:25 AM ET
Mesz would be a salary dump. Coburn would be a talent dump we'd be unlikely to replace.
- wolfhounds


I agree. Gus is currently the 7th dman and I bet he'd end up playing a lot.
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jun 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
Why do you say that? They just signed Elvis Andrus to a huge extension and the Rangers have money.
- PhillySportsGuy


That is of course unless TB signs him to an extension which is highlyy unlikely. I cant see them trading a 20 year old #1 prospect in baseball who hasnt had an arbitration year yet for a 34 year old unless the phillies a significant portion of the contract. I know texas really wants price or stanton
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 10:27 AM ET
Hey Sunshine...



Better not trade Coburn...he's going to have a bounce-back season.

- wolfhounds

your are not cheering me up here

Shannon Hoon
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
certainly more than Mez. I'm just nervous to get rid of a guy who is fairly reliable when paired with another top 4 dman.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yea I agree but they could easily sign scuderi to replace him
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 29 @ 10:29 AM ET
Mesz would be a salary dump. Coburn would be a talent dump we'd be unlikely to replace.
- wolfhounds


It's the one step forward, one/two steps back approach that's gotten this team where it is today.

Coburn is a top four d-man beginning his prime years, an excellent shut down d-man with the right partner. Why would you want to move someone like that?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:29 AM ET
I agree. Gus is currently the 7th dman and I bet he'd end up playing a lot.
- PhillySportsGuy


With the injury question marks, and if we traded Coburn, we'd have to be picking up another d-man, it just wouldn't work any other way.

I'm pretty comfortable with Gus playing #6 minutes. I think he's demonstrated he can handle it. And I have confidence in Lauridsen, but I don't think he's going to be ready right out of the gate, and we can't have any mistakes opening up this season ... we need to set the tone as soon as the first puck drops and start winning.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:29 AM ET
That is of course unless TB signs him to an extension which is highlyy unlikely. I cant see them trading a 20 year old #1 prospect in baseball who hasnt had an arbitration year yet for a 34 year old unless the phillies a significant portion of the contract. I know texas really wants price or stanton
- phatpat44


Stanton won't be available unless the team overpays for him. The Rays are in the playoff race, so I don't know if they'd trade Price until the offseason. Lee makes them better right now. I also believe the Phillies would pay part of that salary.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:30 AM ET
Why do you say that? They just signed Elvis Andrus to a huge extension and the Rangers have money.
- PhillySportsGuy

Franco profar and asche in a year or two would be a nasty infield
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:30 AM ET
It's the one step forward, one/two steps back approach that's gotten this team where it is today.

Coburn is a top four d-man beginning his prime years, an excellent shut down d-man with the right partner. Why would you want to move someone like that?

- 77rams


Agreed. And I have no idea...I really hope Coby doesn't go anywhere.
ky678468
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax , NS
Joined: 09.20.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:31 AM ET
Perfect Blog to set the tone for draft weekend. Forget Canada Day, the fireworks on draft day should be far more entertaining. Just about every draft preview I've seen suggests the Flyers are hard for a defenseman namely Rasmus Ristolainen or
Nikita Zadorov is that the general consensus around here?
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jun 29 @ 10:32 AM ET
Stanton won't be available unless the team overpays for him. The Rays are in the playoff race, so I don't know if they'd trade Price until the offseason. Lee makes them better right now. I also believe the Phillies would pay part of that salary.
- PhillySportsGuy


That's why i think texas holds on to him. Price will be traded this summer in all likelyhood, and texas needs profar to make it happen
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:32 AM ET
Yea I agree but they could easily sign scuderi to replace him
- griouxmvp2012


Then you're forced to win a bidding war.

I would be ok with trading Coburn as long as it's the right deal. I don't want them to go into the offseason saying "We are going to trade Coburn for the best return we can get"
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
Mesz would be a salary dump. Coburn would be a talent dump we'd be unlikely to replace.
- wolfhounds


we've had this discussion before on this board and i was in the minority then, but i still am ok with trading coburn if we get a good package of prospects/picks. i just think the flyers could stand to take a more long-term approach
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
Then you're forced to win a bidding war.

I would be ok with trading Coburn as long as it's the right deal. I don't want them to go into the offseason saying "We are going to trade Coburn for the best return we can get"

- PhillySportsGuy

If they trade him it will be today or tomorrow
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:33 AM ET
Perfect Blog to set the tone for draft weekend. Forget Canada Day, the fireworks on draft day should be far more entertaining. Just about every draft preview I've seen suggests the Flyers are hard for a defenseman namely Rasmus Ristolainen or
Nikita Zadorov is that the general consensus around here?

- ky678468


Throw in Pulock also. They will draft a forward if someone like Monahan or Lindholm drops
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
Perfect Blog to set the tone for draft weekend. Forget Canada Day, the fireworks on draft day should be far more entertaining. Just about every draft preview I've seen suggests the Flyers are hard for a defenseman namely Rasmus Ristolainen or
Nikita Zadorov is that the general consensus around here?

- ky678468


Don't like Ristolainen.

I read about him and I envision the second coming of Joni Pitkanen.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
If they trade him it will be today or tomorrow
- griouxmvp2012


Most likely tomorrow. I think a lot will depend on how the draft goes. If Jones drops, I could see the Flyers putting together one hell of a package to go up and get him before he gets to Carolina.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
Perfect Blog to set the tone for draft weekend. Forget Canada Day, the fireworks on draft day should be far more entertaining. Just about every draft preview I've seen suggests the Flyers are hard for a defenseman namely Rasmus Ristolainen or
Nikita Zadorov is that the general consensus around here?

- ky678468


flyers are really tough to predict when it comes to drafting, but if i had to place money on it i think they'd be the favorites (risto 1 zadorov 2)
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
your are not cheering me up here

Shannon Hoon

- Marc D


Yeah, sorry about that. We'll stay away from Alice in Chains, Sublime, and Morphine as well...

Hmmm, how about this epic live tune...

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:36 AM ET
Don't like Ristolainen.

I read about him and I envision the second coming of Joni Pitkanen.

- 77rams


Joni is actually a pretty good player, But I know what you're saying. I see Risto as a solid top 4 dman. I see him as coburn but a better passer.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 29 @ 10:36 AM ET
I should be excited but feel a sense of impending doom.

The trading Coburn talk is depressing, I just feel like they are going to screw it up somehow.

Could be worse I suppose.
NYRs are keeping Brad Richards around.
At least they moved on from Bryz.

- Marc D


You are so negative Marc. You need look back to last summer as a reminder how on top of things and buttoned up they are.

Last summer should have you overflowing with confidence.
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