Tobie Enstrom mugged as he was taking out money from an ATM.

Found on the ground with minor injuries and 3 were taken in custody.

Cooke, Marchand and?
- flyer_nutter

Avery

I disagree. There's a lot you can do if you have 37, 41 and 56 in the second round. This is a very deep draft. if they were to do this deal they could combine 2 and trade up and bring in 3 quality young prospects. In addition to Paarjavi. keep in mind this teams best years are ahead of them, not really the immediate future.
- jstross

2nd rounders even in a deep draft may or may not work out
Paarjarvi has some question marks too and he is an unsigned RFA
I will keep an open mind but I'm skeptical
It seems like a salary dump then a trade where a need is met

and cousins
- moylander

I'm sorry, but the Columbus deal is outright theft.

The LA deal is, at worst, a push, depending on if Brayden Schenn doesn't develop further and you are absolutely in love with Mike Richards' intangibles, which do exist.

But the Columbus deal is utter theft.

2nd rounders even in a deep draft may or may not work out
Paarjarvi has some question marks too and his is an unsigned RFA
I will keep an open mind but I'm skeptical
It seems like a salary dump then a trade where a need is met
- Marc D

Well, we do need space, since we all know a few very important players are gonna get fat checks in the next few years.

Maybe this means Read stays?

Its just me, but I think if the team has trouble next season depending on what he does, he will be on the hot seat.

You would figure Lava is the first to go, but I cant imagine Holmgren wouldn't be too far behind.

The safest best honestly, might be him to just stand pat and take the patient approach as most of us have been saying. Don't really know what kind of pressure Snider is putting down though. Will be an interesting summer for sure.
- flyer_nutter

I think it is an important year for the coach and GM

I'm sorry, but the Columbus deal is outright theft.

The LA deal is, at worst, a push, depending on if Brayden Schenn doesn't develop further and you are absolutely in love with Mike Richards' intangibles, which do exist.

But the Columbus deal is utter theft.
- AllInForFlyers

A nutter's thoughts, but I see the odds of Coots turning into a Handzus just as likely as turning into a top selke candidate. I am not as high on him.

Time will tell, but Voracek has been a great suprise.

homer still has to take most of the hit for it though
- isaiah520

That makes no sense. If his boss orders to go out and get Bryz and he does so, then it doesn't work out, how is that Holmgren's fault?
I agree with Allin, if the Bryz signing had been Holmgren's idea, he would have lost his job over it, this one is all on Snider.

One thing I think we should all be cognizant of about Brayden Schenn, though: He didn't have a bad season last year.

He was on pace for 44-ish points in an 82-game season. For the ice time he was getting...again, he needs to take another step forward. We all know it.

But his development -- last year was not a wasted year for him.

I'm sorry, but the Columbus deal is outright theft.

The LA deal is, at worst, a push, depending on if Brayden Schenn doesn't develop further and you are absolutely in love with Mike Richards' intangibles, which do exist.

But the Columbus deal is utter theft.
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly

Latest TSN video (Flyers are mentioned)

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=p.../latest/1/0/956760/clip/0

A nutter's thoughts, but I see the odds of Coots turning into a Handzus just as likely as turning into a top selke candidate.

Time will tell, but Voracek has been a great suprise.
- flyer_nutter

I think simmonds has outperformed all expectations now for 2 seasons. If Schenn pans out (and the fact we have Grossmann with that 2nd) I think the richie trade favors Philly in a landslide. Schenn is the key though - its time for him to show that potential.

One thing I think we should all be cognizant of about Brayden Schenn, though: He didn't have a bad season last year.

He was on pace for 44-ish points in an 82-game season. For the ice time he was getting...again, he needs to take another step forward. We all know it.

But his development -- last year was not a wasted year for him.
- AllInForFlyers

But....he needs to be a 23 year old 80 point producer....

COME ON HOMER WHAT ARE YOU DOING

I think simmonds has outperformed all expectations now for 2 seasons. If Schenn pans out (and the fact we have Grossmann with that 2nd) I think the richie trade favors Philly in a landslide. Schenn is the key though - its time for him to show that potential.
- moylander

I just rub that bald Budha ass that if Coots or Brayden Schenn have a great season next year, the organization doesnt give them some huge long term deal.

Players go on hot streaks... Give them a bridge contract.

One thing I think we should all be cognizant of about Brayden Schenn, though: He didn't have a bad season last year.

He was on pace for 44-ish points in an 82-game season. For the ice time he was getting...again, he needs to take another step forward. We all know it.

But his development -- last year was not a wasted year for him.
- AllInForFlyers

Absolutely, this is why I am dead set against trading B Schenn or Couturier unless a Weber or Pietrangelo is coming back.
I believe that within the next couple of seasons, Schenn will become a 25-30 goal scorer and will be putting up 65-70 points; Couturier will be putting up 25 goals and 55-60 points, while challenging for the Selke trophy.

You don't give up players like that for 1st round picks (unless it's top 3 in a draft like this years) or defensemen like Yandle, Edler, Shattenkirk etc... Players like this are the building blocks for a championship team.

Dreger just said on nhl network that holmgren has 2 trades. 7 and 4th round from edmonton or the 5th from Carolina

Long time creep first time poster...

Lookin forward to tomorrow even dusted off the hat and a flyers and supporting it today... I am on the fence of the Coburn trade like most, living in Canada I have seen a bit of MP-S, and like most the Oilers seemed lost at times and just trying to play on talent and not with a system (not his fault IMO). However, the only reason I would like the flyers to draft 7 instead on 11th is to get Valeri Nichushkin, but with this trade taking him make less sense.

Dreger just said on nhl network that holmgren has 2 trades. 7 and 4th round from edmonton or the 5th from Carolina
- phatpat44

Just one or are both possible?

Dreger just said on nhl network that holmgren has 2 trades. 7 and 4th round from edmonton or the 5th from Carolina
- phatpat44

Give me the 5th pick please.

Just one or are both possible?
- flyer_nutter

both were for coburn, sorry

I just rub that bald Budha ass that if Coots or Brayden Schenn have a great season next year, the organization doesnt give them some huge long term deal.

Players go on hot streaks... Give them a bridge contract.
- flyer_nutter

I would like to see longer deals like JVRs was. Some 5-6 years at about $4-4.25 million per year. Lock them up now at a low price tag later so that in 3 years we can spend more to bring in big time FAs to put us over the top. Either way though I'm happy - I like both players and a bridge deal just means the flyers are back in a few seasons in rfa negotiations.

Give me the 5th pick please.
- BiggE

+1

Absolutely, this is why I am dead set against trading B Schenn or Couturier unless a Weber or Pietrangelo is coming back.
I believe that within the next couple of seasons, Schenn will become a 25-30 goal scorer and will be putting up 65-70 points; Couturier will be putting up 25 goals and 55-60 points, while challenging for the Selke trophy.

You don't give up players like that for 1st round picks (unless it's top 3 in a draft like this years) or defensemen like Yandle, Edler, Shattenkirk etc... Players like this are the building blocks for a championship team.
- BiggE

I wouldn't move either for guys like Yandle/Edler/Shattenkirk, either. I just wouldn't do it.

I honestly believe you are correct about what those guys are going to do. I'm not overvaluing. There's no reason to believe that they won't put up the numbers you're saying.

Again, they might not. But there's no reason to believe, at this point, that they won't. That's why they shouldn't trade them.

Dreger just said on nhl network that holmgren has 2 trades. 7 and 4th round from edmonton or the 5th from Carolina
- phatpat44

The anticipation is killing me

Long time creep first time poster...

Lookin forward to tomorrow even dusted off the hat and a flyers and supporting it today... I am on the fence of the Coburn trade like most, living in Canada I have seen a bit of MP-S, and like most the Oilers seemed lost at times and just trying to play on talent and not with a system (not his fault IMO). However, the only reason I would like the flyers to draft 7 instead on 11th is to get Valeri Nichushkin, but with this trade taking him make less sense.
- AGL_91

Welcome! This board treated me nicely when I started posting, and I'm sure they will for you, too!

A nutter's thoughts, but I see the odds of Coots turning into a Handzus just as likely as turning into a top selke candidate. I am not as high on him.

Time will tell, but Voracek has been a great suprise.
- flyer_nutter

I don't see that, personally. He is statistically already our best defensive forward. At age 20. His big areas of improvement over the next couple seasons need to be on developing his offensive game, and muscle mass. Part of that has to go to the coach. We can't keep playing him on the 4th line, and getting angry when he doesn't produce offensively. I'd like to see him moved up to the 2nd line, with Schenn on his wing and Simmer on his other. Only when we put him in offensive opportunities will we see his offensive game flourish. I'm actually quite impressed he was on a 30 point pace playing on the 4th line.