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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:28 PM ET
The rationale that TSN cited was pretty flimsy though... Chiarelli needs to consider trading Seguin or risk losing Horton?

Nathan Horton already indicated he's going to walk... Bruins are probably better off for it, too.

- Tomahawk


Edmonton fans have said he learned to use his body a lot more this past year. He's still just 22
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:28 PM ET
Coburn 11th for Eberle 2nd
- Winning


What is your source for the Eberle rumor?
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:28 PM ET
Streit has a better shot, and is a better PP QB. Other then that, Carle is clearly a better all around player.
- MJL


Delusion, it's not just for breakfast!
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:29 PM ET
Edmonton fans have said he learned to use his body a lot more this past year. He's still just 22
- Just5


So you're telling me he's now prostituting himself to get people to come to the games? Damn, that's sad.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:29 PM ET
Seguin didn't give them anything in the finals???

They weren't watching it then

Him and Kelly on a line with Paille almost won the damn series

Seguin was really good and showed he can back check and play two way hockey

I'd take him in a second on the Flyers


Real reason is they have to pay Rask and re up Bergeron

I'd let Horton walk and keep Seguin but what do I know

- Marc D


Yeah, I follow one of the Boston guys on Twitter -- he's been killing Seguin ever since Game 3.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:29 PM ET
True...I've raised this on HB before...his PP minutes went from like 2 mins per game to zilch over time and he was put into a more defensive role...was this due to Coburn's own play or the coaches phasing him out of the offensive gameplan?
- exlund

Coburn's shot was wild and high 95% of time

That's why he wasn't given PP time
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:30 PM ET
Oh, that's totally different, then.

I'm not dealing Coburn for second-round picks. Screw that. Just because I think he's replaceable at this point in time means I don't know what the guy's age, skillset, contract/cap hit are.

That would NOT be a deal I'd like. (Just so people realize I'm not in agreement with every single thing the Flyers do.)

- AllInForFlyers

would rather try to send a mid pick w/ mez anywhere to dump $$ than to trade coby for 2nd rndrs.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:31 PM ET
What is your source for the Eberle rumor?
- flyer_nutter


His imagination maybe? Or seravalli.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:32 PM ET
Coburn's shot was wild and high 95% of time

That's why he wasn't given PP time

- Marc D

He doesn't have a nose for the net
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:32 PM ET
Coburn's shot was wild and high 95% of time

That's why he wasn't given PP time

- Marc D


He can move the puck out of the dzone and up the ice well enough, but he doesn't really process the offensive side of the game fast enough to be much of a threat.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
Yeah, I follow one of the Boston guys on Twitter -- he's been killing Seguin ever since Game 3.
- AllInForFlyers

He didn't score but he set up a ton of goals and scoring chances
Some people are never happy unless there are goals
Seguin was really good and showed signs of developing a strong 2 way game
He's going to be a star
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
I'd actually want Zadorov if they can't move back to take Morrissey
- ob18


Be fine with Zads too, I'm pretty keen on him...but a different brand of player vs. Pulock...Z is closer to Nurse in size and style, so Nurse and Pulock would give them two complementary potential studs...but Nurse and Zadorov sounds pretty damn good too!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
Oh, that's totally different, then.

I'm not dealing Coburn for second-round picks. Screw that. Just because I think he's replaceable at this point in time means I don't know what the guy's age, skillset, contract/cap hit are.

That would NOT be a deal I'd like. (Just so people realize I'm not in agreement with every single thing the Flyers do.)

- AllInForFlyers



Take the swap of 1sts out of the equation and if the return was Marincin/Klefbom and a 2nd I'm pretty happy. Not so good for next season, but it sets the table nicely for when the window for this young core really opens.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
Coburn's shot was wild and high 95% of time

That's why he wasn't given PP time

- Marc D


Coburn showed a lot of promise earlier in his career on the offensive side. They took away a lot of of that from him, and placed him in a more defensive role. It's not easy to not be used in that role for a number of years, and then all of a sudden ramp it up offensively. I think at this point he's just better left in a defensive role.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:36 PM ET
He didn't score but he set up a ton of goals and scoring chances
Some people are never happy unless there are goals
Seguin was really good and showed signs of developing a strong 2 way game
He's going to be a star

- Marc D


Man, I hear you -- they're just sour over there. I thought they just got beat by a better team that figured them out after Game 3, but Boston might not believe that's the case.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:37 PM ET
I'd actually want Zadorov if they can't move back to take Morrissey
- ob18



Wouldn't be surprised to see Morrissey emerge as the most offensively productive blueliner from this class when all is said and done.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
If Edmonton isn't willing to part with pick #7 in a deal for Coburn, then time to move on. If they are going to move Coburn, I would rather build a package around him, that does not include the 11th pick, to move to Carolina for the 5th pick.

Perhaps Coburn, this years and next years 2nd, and a prospect?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
Man, I hear you -- they're just sour over there. I thought they just got beat by a better team that figured them out after Game 3, but Boston might not believe that's the case.
- AllInForFlyers

Well if they are getting rid if him I hope Homer makes a call.
He is going to cost a fricken ton
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
Take the swap of 1sts out of the equation and if the return was Marincin/Klefbom and a 2nd I'm pretty happy. Not so good for next season, but it sets the table nicely for when the window for this young core really opens.
- Tomahawk


I just want to clarify:

Are you saying you'd do MPS, Marincin/Klefbom and a 2nd for Coburn?

Or are you saying you'd do just Marincin/Klebom and a 2nd for Coburn?

Either way is fine because it's your thought process, I'm just making sure I understand where you're at.
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
My head is spinning with all of these silly season scenarios. I just want to see what happens and then evaluate it. Hope springs eternal that Homer will come up aces this summer.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jun 29 @ 2:41 PM ET
What do you guys think about the flyers trying to get Horton?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:41 PM ET
If Edmonton isn't willing to part with pick #7 in a deal for Coburn, then time to move on. If they are going to move Coburn, I would rather build a package around him, that does not include the 11th pick, to move to Carolina for the 5th pick.

Perhaps Coburn, this years and next years 2nd, and a prospect?

- BiggE


If the deal was for the 7th overall, and a chance at Monahan I'd be all in.

Even though I knock Coburn, I think its a little foolish to give him away for Paajarvi who is a pretty big question mark and 2nd round picks.

Seems to be the Flyers taking all the risk in that deal.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:41 PM ET
Coburn showed a lot of promise earlier in his career on the offensive side. They took away a lot of of that from him, and placed him in a more defensive role. It's not easy to not be used in that role for a number of years, and then all of a sudden ramp it up offensively. I think at this point he's just better left in a defensive role.
- MJL

The trade Coburn talk is baffling

Put him with Kimmo and you have a great pair

Probably he would be OK too with Streit but I feel less certain there
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jun 29 @ 2:42 PM ET
Whatever happens tonight tommorow is going to be like Christmas mother(frank)ers!
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:43 PM ET
What do you guys think about the flyers trying to get Horton?
- PhillaBully

Rather not
Shoulder injury and concussions
And he's going to get paid big $
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