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the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:33 PM ET
you trying to bust a move?
- vejim


this is a jam for all the fellas
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:34 PM ET
Think Markus Naslund pre-Vancouver.
- bmeltzer


hey bill,

do you know anything about oscar klefbom? would edmonton be at all open to including him in a deal like this? (in your opinion of course) do you even think he's a player the flyers should be interested in? you're usually the ultimate source for all things swedish hockey
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:34 PM ET
Do you like that deal?
22 yo skilled winger with size and the #7 for Coburn and the #11?

Who will take Coburn's minutes on D?

- Marc D


Mez/Streit
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:34 PM ET
Do you like that deal?
22 yo skilled winger with size and the #7 for Coburn and the #11?

Who will take Coburn's minutes on D?

- Marc D

Homer will find a 35 yo Dman somewhere
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:35 PM ET
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:35 PM ET
Three team deal

To EDM
Coburn
28th overall

To Flames
Read
Paajarvi
41st
Cousins

To Flyers
6th
7th
(and retain 11th)


Hey, I can dream, cant I?
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:36 PM ET
who knows, maybe we take the 7th and add read or mezzy to move up to 5 or something, if this deal goes down im sure its the first domino..

aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
who knows, maybe we take the 7th and add read or mezzy to move up to 5 or something, if this deal goes down im sure its the first domino..
- mydoglicks

Hold me, mdl
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
this is a jam for all the fellas
- the deaninator


try do what the beat writers tell us
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
Hold me, mdl
- aightwebang17

im jelly

“Doesn’t think (Paajarvi) will be enough from PHI’s standpoint, they want a better player from EDM’s system.”

Imagine if we got
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
Hold me, mdl
- aightwebang17


now they got my attention...
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
who knows, maybe we take the 7th and add read or mezzy to move up to 5 or something, if this deal goes down im sure its the first domino..
- mydoglicks

sometimes I think our blobbers are smarter than Homer
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
Three team deal

To EDM
Coburn
28th overall

To Flames
Read
Paajarvi
41st
Cousins

To Flyers
6th
7th
(and retain 11th)

Hey, I can dream, cant I?

- hereticpride


homer goes into witness protection immediately after the deals are made.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
im jelly

“Doesn’t think (Paajarvi) will be enough from PHI’s standpoint, they want a better player from EDM’s system.”

Imagine if we got

- Winning

ur next
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
Homer will find a 35 yo Dman somewhere
- vejim

Ference is 34 but his body is 38
Will you settle for that?
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
try do what the beat writers tell us
- mydoglicks


get hung up on cuz ya over-zealous
start sh!t on twitter cause ya jealous.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Ference is 34 but his body is 38
Will you settle for that?

- Marc D

right up Homer's alley
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
Hey, I can dream, cant I?
- hereticpride


That's not a dream. The word you're looking for is "delusion."
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
right up Homer's alley
- vejim

Here comes Parjarvi
Then Nurse at #7
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
the master of magnetism says Coburn and 11th for Paajarvi and 7th is close.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
I like 11 and Coburn for 7 and MPS.

Again, I'm a fan of Braydon Coburn. I like his skillset, and I believe he's a solid, legitimate Top 4 defenseman.

But he's the kind of Top 4 who you can replace: the defensive kind. It doesn't mean he's soft or a liability. It means that if you're looking to replace a Top 4, you can do that easier with Braydon Coburn.

At some point, you have to look at what's coming back. MPS has size, can skate really well. He's still developing, but he's played enough games where you have a feel for what he might be -- he's not quite as advanced as Voracek and Simmonds were, where you had a pretty good idea that both of those guys were capable of it.

But I think the No. 7 pick gives us more options. Braydon Coburn, as I said, is a good soldier. But he had reached his ceiling. We need a little more high-end talent to get us where we all want to go.

As Val Kilmer so famously said in "Heat": "The bank is worth the risk."
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:48 PM ET
Agreed, 6'5 defenseman who skate well and can play in your top 4 don't grow on trees, a lot of fans seem to really be undervaluing Coburn.
- BiggE


He has regressed though...when he first got here he looked like he could develop into a top 4, two-way guy who could play on the PP and put up 30-40 pts with solid defensive play...since then his offensive game has fizzled out and in his most recent campaign his defensive game took some steps back...he's in his prime now, and should be playing better than ever...why is his development taking a backwards path?
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:49 PM ET
NHL - Flyers and Oilers closing in on a deal, source says they Flyers want to swap 11th for 7th and Paajarvi for Coburn.
- Winning

Bad idea. Bad bad bad idea.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:50 PM ET
Think Markus Naslund pre-Vancouver.
- bmeltzer



Thing that concerns me about Pääjärvi is that, unlike Naslund, he's never dominated at any senior/pro level.

And he's got a casual JvR-esque attitude... not enough "hates-to-lose" and general competitiveness.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:51 PM ET
I'm sorry, but all we talk about on this site is how difficult top 4 defenseman are to acquire. We actually have one that we are looking to trade and we aren't getting a top return at all. We should be getting a hell of a lot more back then PMS and the 7th. I dislike that deal. I'd rather:

To Blues:
Couterier
Coburn
Cousins
2013 1st Rd Pick
2014 or 2015 2nd Rd Pick

To Flyers:
Pietrangelo
Halak
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