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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:20 PM ET
I think he would know the oilers dont have a 4th
- Winning

doesnt mean it's this years.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 29 @ 4:21 PM ET
Even if they were to trade Coburn, the 41st pick and a prospect to get the 5th pick from Carolina I would do it in a heartbeat.

To walk away from this draft with Nichushkin AND Ristolainen or Pulock without having to move B Schenn or Couturier would be awesome.
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:22 PM ET
Doesn't Coburn have a limited no-trade clause in his contract?
- 77rams



yup. don't know what is is though
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:22 PM ET
yup. don't know what is is though
- phatpat44

cant be traded unless the deal is a fleecing.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 4:22 PM ET
Even if they were to trade Coburn, the 41st pick and a prospect to get the 5th pick from Carolina I would do it in a heartbeat.

To walk away from this draft with Nichushkin AND Ristolainen or Pulock without having to move B Schenn or Couturier would be awesome.

- BiggE



now get a goalie
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 4:23 PM ET
yup. don't know what is is though
- phatpat44

Carolina and Edm are high on his list, I'm sure

PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:26 PM ET
Makes good sense.

I still don't want Paajarvi

- 77rams


I would like to take a chance with him (preferably without giving up Coburn) but I'm kind of 'biased' since I'm also a Swede.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:26 PM ET
Dreger who is usually as spot on as anyone.
- hereticpride

Do you have the link, becuz i've checked his twitter and nothing about this...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:26 PM ET
Per tpanotch, it's now about getting both of Edmonton's 2nd round picks, not their first.

And somehow, I like it even less.
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:26 PM ET
Carolina and Edm are high on his list, I'm sure


- Marc D



well, it could be cant be traded during the season etc.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:27 PM ET
Do you have the link, becuz i've checked his twitter and nothing about this...
- Yosimar89

Apparently reported it on TSN.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 29 @ 4:27 PM ET
What statistics show this?

Couturier was middle of the pack at best in terms of goals against (per 60 min) while on the ice for the Flyers (5v5).

- exlund

http://www.broadstreethoc...rier-stats-defense-flyers
Enjoy the read good sir.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Jun 29 @ 4:30 PM ET
Even if they were to trade Coburn, the 41st pick and a prospect to get the 5th pick from Carolina I would do it in a heartbeat.

To walk away from this draft with Nichushkin AND Ristolainen or Pulock without having to move B Schenn or Couturier would be awesome.

- BiggE

If they can get 5, a plethora of options opens up. There's no way of knowing for sure who will be available. Even Jones could drop to 5, and then the decision at 11 could be anything. Another defenseman, or a forward, or trading down to pick up more draft picks in the 1st round.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 29 @ 4:32 PM ET
If they can get 5, a plethora of options opens up. There's no way of knowing for sure who will be available. Even Jones could drop to 5, and then the decision at 11 could be anything. Another defenseman, or a forward, or trading down to pick up more draft picks in the 1st round.
- fecondo

I still believe Nishichkin will be going 3rd to Tampa, personally.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:32 PM ET
I still believe Nishichkin will be going 3rd to Tampa, personally.
- JAKEw1234

Good.

Just not to us.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 4:33 PM ET
I still believe Nishichkin will be going 3rd to Tampa, personally.
- JAKEw1234


Then they get a shot at Barkov, who I'd rather have than Nichushkin anyhow
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:34 PM ET
If they can get 5, a plethora of options opens up. There's no way of knowing for sure who will be available. Even Jones could drop to 5, and then the decision at 11 could be anything. Another defenseman, or a forward, or trading down to pick up more draft picks in the 1st round.
- fecondo


IF (big IF) they pick up the 5th and keep the 11th, they're guaranteed a shot at one of Drouin, Barkov, Jones, or Nichuskinskyov. I'd take whichever one of them, then use the 11 to draft the best dman/forward (opposite of what you took at 5) and call it a day.

But really, they'll make some horrible trade, trade Coburn and 11 for a middling forward and a slightly better pick, and draft another forward, or Nurse (who seems like a big project to me).
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 29 @ 4:35 PM ET
I still believe Nishichkin will be going 3rd to Tampa, personally.
- JAKEw1234


After buying out Vinnie, I got to think they are targeting Barkov
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:36 PM ET
Then they get a shot at Barkov, who I'd rather have than Nichushkin anyhow
- Jsaquella


Unless Nashville takes Barkov. Then Jones is there.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Jun 29 @ 4:36 PM ET
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/2/26/4032650/sean-couturier-stats-defense-flyers
Enjoy the read good sir.

- JAKEw1234

That was from a 21 game sample last year...
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:37 PM ET
Then they get a shot at Barkov, who I'd rather have than Nichushkin anyhow
- Jsaquella

Nichushkin is going to be the Coots or Laughton of the draft
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 29 @ 4:37 PM ET
Unless Nashville takes Barkov. Then Jones is there.
- jmatchett383


If Colorado takes Mackinnon, I have to think Florida will either take Jones or make trade to someone else who will.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 4:38 PM ET
I still believe Nishichkin will be going 3rd to Tampa, personally.
- JAKEw1234


See, that...if you're the Flyers and you walk yourself into 5, then you're looking at either a sliding Jonathan Drouin or Alexander Barkov.

You have won at life, then. Drouin needs to get a little bigger, develop some, but that is the type of winger you put with a Couturier or Schenn/Simmonds, and YOU ARE ROLLING.

If it's Barkov, then you can flash your brass set, move Couturier for the haul that Elliotte Friedman says is out there waiting for Holmgren to move him, drop Barkov in that spot, and YOU WIN AGAIN.

The fifth slot was always the key in this draft, if you're the Flyers. Doesn't mean they'll get there, but it was always the key.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 4:38 PM ET
Nichushkin is going to be the Coots or Laughton of the draft
- Winning


Huh? Couturier was a guy that fell, and Laughton was seen as a minor reach.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 4:39 PM ET
Huh? Couturier was a guy that fell, and Laughton was seen as a minor reach.
- Jsaquella

Both steals is what I meant
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