It's really bad if we can't keep him. Wasnt it Gretzky who called us the smurfs years ago? Well, somebody did and the term actully fits again

Richards is papa smurf
- Slimtj100

Yea if Kreider and miller are contributers we won't be pushed around. We don't need bangers just size that can push bak and score. Kreider, miller, Nash, and somewhat Boyle provide that while cally, asham, and Dorset are smaller but really can bang with the best of em. To me, that's pretty frigging good size and physical. Again, it all rides on Kreider who has shown a willingness to throw the body and score.

I'm trying to confirm but I have been told by someone with pretty decent knowledge, that the decision not to buy Richards out was NOT about money.

It's really bad if we can't keep him. Wasnt it Gretzky who called us the smurfs years ago? Well, somebody did and the term actully fits again

Richards is papa smurf
- Slimtj100

Zucc is the only guy on the entire roster under 5'11. And the entire defense is over 6'0, except for Stalman who is 5'11.

The Rangers projected first line is 6'4, 6'3, and 6'0

The Rangers projected second line is 6'1, 5'11, 5'11

The Rangers projected third line is 6'1, 6'0, 5'7

The Rangers projected fourth line is 6'0, 6'7, 6'4

The defensive unit is: 6'4, 6'3, 6'1, 6'1, 6'0, 5'11

Real small lineup there.

Zucc is the only guy on the entire roster under 5'11. And the entire defense is over 6'0, except for Stalman who is 5'11.

The Rangers projected first line is 6'4, 6'3, and 6'0

The Rangers projected second line is 6'1, 5'11, 5'11

The Rangers projected third line is 6'1, 6'0, 5'7

The Rangers projected fourth line is 6'0, 6'7, 6'4

The defensive unit is: 6'4, 6'3, 6'1, 6'1, 6'0, 5'11

Real small lineup there.
- Pete V

Keep telling yourself were a tough team to play against Pete.

I'm trying to confirm but I have been told by someone with pretty decent knowledge, that the decision not to buy Richards out was NOT about money.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

this is the organizations logic: brad richards has the track record, the experience, the vision, and the potential to be an elite #1 center. he's scored at a PPG rate over his career a few times, he's won the conn smythe, he's extremely clutch, he has experience, and he's a leader in the lockerroom. why buy him out when you can get 1 more year from him to really make a run at the cup? a guy like malkin, or getzlaf, or any other #1 center isn't on the market...so there's no reason to buy him out because you can't replace him.

what if lundqvist decides to walk? then we're really screwed and next season legitimately is our last shot at a cup.

Keep telling yourself were a tough team to play against Pete.
- Slimtj100

i don't understand what's really changed between the ECF final when we were considered the hardest and toughest team in the league to this roster.

let's look: we lost prust, who is a smurf. we lost dubinsky, who is a smurf. we lost anisimov, who is big but softer than boyle. we lost gaborik, who is one of the softest players in the league. we lost fedetenko, who is small.

we added nash, who is a big powerful power forward. we added kreider, who is a big powerful power forward. we added asham, who kills people. we added dorsett, who kills people. we added pyatt, a dude with size like you really want but is literally useless.

we didn't lose any size compared to the ECF roster...in fact, we've gained size since then. what we lost is the edge that a guy like dubinsky or prust played with.

size =/= toughness/physicality/grit/edge

miller wont be traded, MDZ will be traded. boom

Garrioch is a useless a$$ wipe. just makes stuff up.

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 10s
Have heard same as @RenLavoieRDS: B's listening on offers for Tyler Seguin. Top 10 1st round pick may be part of desired return #BruinsTalk

Stephen Whyno ‏@SWhyno 1m
Reports from @TSNBobMcKenzie, @RenLavoieRDS and @JoshRimerHockey that #Bruins making Tyler Seguin available in trade talks.

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 10s
Have heard same as @RenLavoieRDS: B's listening on offers for Tyler Seguin. Top 10 1st round pick may be part of desired return #BruinsTalk


- rangerdanger94

Rumors will keep flying all day today and tomorrow...part of the fun but most don't happen

SATHER GET SEGUIN

I think people are very wrong about Del Zotto. Take a look at Cam Fowler, hes been up and down, scratched, etc... Young defensemen don't just come into the league and dominate. Its a huge statement that DZ even began his pro career in the NHL. years 1 & 3, he dominated and had some league leading stats. Year 2, he digressed, but its not a surprise, he was 19. So he went down, and came back better. This year, well, you can say the same thing about the entire team last year save Stepan and Nash. Everyone else could have been traded based on this years performance. Simply stated, you can't give up on a 22 year old 1st round Dman pick that has led the league in certain stats, leads your entire defensive group in points over the last 4 years despite barely playing year 2. DZ makes mistakes, but thats what happens when you decide to let an 18 year old kid grow, develop, and learn on the fly while playing with the big club. It doesn't mean he's a failure. At 22, he's not even physically matured into his frame yet! DZ's potential is through the ceiling, its a matter of how to develop him to reach it. If we all concede that Tort's system was good and bad for different players, well, we have to consider that DZ's offensive dman development was seriously hindered by the system. I would give DZ until he is 24-25 (the end of his contract) and then decide if he's a bust or not. Right now, he's still the only natural offensive dman we have. Many of you forget exactly the type of player Brian Leetch was. Leetch didn't have spectacular +/- numbers and was often on the ice for goals against. Leetch needed to be paired with Beuke or Samuelsson, 2 of the best defensive dmen the Rangers ever had. Offensive minded Dmen will always be a slight liability in their own end, otherwise, they would all be Shea Weber. You take the good with the bad and DZ's bad is not that bad.

Keep telling yourself were a tough team to play against Pete.
- Slimtj100

And keep telling yourself that the team is a bunch of smurfs. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, TJ.

How about this take out Zucc and use the money on Clowe. Try to find a deal for Zucc at the draft that he would find acceptable, so that he doesn't bolt to Russian.

Does that solve it.

I think people are very wrong about Del Zotto. Take a look at Cam Fowler, hes been up and down, scratched, etc... Young defensemen don't just come into the league and dominate. Its a huge statement that DZ even began his pro career in the NHL. years 1 & 3, he dominated and had some league leading stats. Year 2, he digressed, but its not a surprise, he was 19. So he went down, and came back better. This year, well, you can say the same thing about the entire team last year save Stepan and Nash. Everyone else could have been traded based on this years performance. Simply stated, you can't give up on a 22 year old 1st round Dman pick that has led the league in certain stats, leads your entire defensive group in points over the last 4 years despite barely playing year 2. DZ makes mistakes, but thats what happens when you decide to let an 18 year old kid grow, develop, and learn on the fly while playing with the big club. It doesn't mean he's a failure. At 22, he's not even physically matured into his frame yet! DZ's potential is through the ceiling, its a matter of how to develop him to reach it. If we all concede that Tort's system was good and bad for different players, well, we have to consider that DZ's offensive dman development was seriously hindered by the system. I would give DZ until he is 24-25 (the end of his contract) and then decide if he's a bust or not. Right now, he's still the only natural offensive dman we have. Many of you forget exactly the type of player Brian Leetch was. Leetch didn't have spectacular +/- numbers and was often on the ice for goals against. Leetch needed to be paired with Beuke or Samuelsson, 2 of the best defensive dmen the Rangers ever had. Offensive minded Dmen will always be a slight liability in their own end, otherwise, they would all be Shea Weber. You take the good with the bad and DZ's bad is not that bad.
- xcheckmajor

i think a lot of us realize that a young defenseman's development isn't linear. there will always be ups and downs.

what it comes down to is that we have 4 left-shooting defensemen and with the addition of a guy like moore who is similar to DZ offensively but has better skating, DZ is expendable for the right package. but ONLY for the right return.

we're not pushing him out the door and we would love to have him on the roster. but we have other holes and if we can make a deal that makes the team overall better, then he's expendable.

And keep telling yourself that the team is a bunch of smurfs. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, TJ.

How about this take out Zucc and use the money on Clowe. Try to find a deal for Zucc at the draft that he would find acceptable, so that he doesn't bolt to Russian.

Does that solve it.
- Pete V

this team is bigger than the team we had that made an ECF run. the only thing that's changed is the lost grit and edge and the depth we had.

this is the organizations logic: brad richards has the track record, the experience, the vision, and the potential to be an elite #1 center. he's scored at a PPG rate over his career a few times, he's won the conn smythe, he's extremely clutch, he has experience, and he's a leader in the lockerroom. why buy him out when you can get 1 more year from him to really make a run at the cup? a guy like malkin, or getzlaf, or any other #1 center isn't on the market...so there's no reason to buy him out because you can't replace him.

what if lundqvist decides to walk? then we're really screwed and next season legitimately is our last shot at a cup.
- rangerdanger94

Good point, this may in fact have more to do with Lundqvist, in more ways than one.

this team is bigger than the team we had that made an ECF run. the only thing that's changed is the lost grit and edge and the depth we had.
- rangerdanger94

Lost Prust, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Fedentenko and Gaborik.

Let's say that Dorsett cancels out Prust, which was virtually everyone's view when that deal was made. Is Anisimov really of that much more of hardass than Brassard.

Is Pyatt really that much softer than Feds?

So, we lost Dubinsky. Doesn't Kreider and/or Miller help to offset that. And Clowe if he re-signs.

All this top about being soft is fantasy, unless the Bruins and Hawks are the only teams you are comparing them to. We are never going to out muscle the Bruins, never. Have to find another way to beat them, like the Leafs almost did, and the Leafs aren't a collection of bad asses.

Good point, this may in fact have more to do with Lundqvist, in more ways than one.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

There is probably alot of truth to that. They have poopcanned alot of his buddies the last couple of years. Wouldn't suprise me at all if that is the case. Good call on that.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Not 100 per cent yet but looks like Nathan Horton will NOT be back with BOS. B's talking trade and Tyler Seguin's name has been discussed.

@DarrenDreger: Love the Seguin speculation. His name is absolutely in play. Bruins with so many unsigned guys. "Kings ransom" expected.

Late

And keep telling yourself that the team is a bunch of smurfs. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, TJ.

How about this take out Zucc and use the money on Clowe. Try to find a deal for Zucc at the draft that he would find acceptable, so that he doesn't bolt to Russian.

Does that solve it.
- Pete V

You keep missing the point. The team has size but the guys with it dont use it. Who is the most physical guy in the team?

Hint:he has a torn labrum because of it and hes not even 6'0 or 200 lbs

The fact that 90% of you think this team is physical enough to win 4 grueling knock em drag out series, drives me absolutely nuts

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Not 100 per cent yet but looks like Nathan Horton will NOT be back with BOS. B's talking trade and Tyler Seguin's name has been discussed.

@DarrenDreger: Love the Seguin speculation. His name is absolutely in play. Bruins with so many unsigned guys. "Kings ransom" expected.

Late
- fquicks

I think this goes to show you how sick this draft is... and how important it is for the Rangers to get into the first round, if it means trading next years first rounder to get into this one.

You keep missing the point. The team has size but the guys with it dont use it. Who is the most physical guy in the team?

Hint:he has a torn labrum because of it and hes not even 6'0 or 200 lbs

The fact that 90% of you think this team is physical enough to win 4 grueling knock em drag out series, drives me absolutely nuts


- Slimtj100

Dude... Chicago isnt an overtly physical team, their hard work ethic makes it look like their physical.

You keep missing the point. The team has size but the guys with it dont use it. Who is the most physical guy in the team?

Hint:he has a torn labrum because of it and hes not even 6'0 or 200 lbs

The fact that 90% of you think this team is physical enough to win 4 grueling knock em drag out series, drives me absolutely nuts


- Slimtj100

Hawks were not that physical, they're own fans said that, size doesn't matter, heart does.

Dude... Chicago isnt an overtly physical team, their hard work ethic makes it look like their physical.
- aecliptic

Stole my thunder.

Hawks were not that physical, they're own fans said that, size doesn't matter, heart does.
- B2B76

Well maybe we lack that too