Weekend plan:

Put Luongo on waivers. Buyout once he clears.

Reimer was the 2nd best Canadian goalie in the league this year...behind Crawford. But I'm afraid he won't get any real consideration for the team since they'll probably think Price and Ward deserve to be on the team. Ridiculous, IMO.
- djamon

Ya, that's frustrating. But I don't think you're giving Reimer enough credit. Sure, Crawford won the Cup and was considered the Hawks MVP by many, but I think Reimer was the all around best Canadian goalie in the NHL. And it's been the way already for more than just this past season. I'll be shocked if Reimer isn't the starter in Sochi.

johnson is overpaid. they won't need duchense in a couple years. landenskog, reilly and either sedin or mckinnon is a strong top 3.

this trade makes the avs instant contenders and gives their young stars a chance to develop without facing top pairings like they do now. make no mistake, colorado wants to win and win now. they need to get fans back and they're not coming to watch roy stand behind the bench.
- therealagent

So Colorado desperately needs defencemen, but they'll trade a 25 year old, 6'4, 230lb d-man, along with a 22 year old all star sniper AND the #1 pick overall for the Sedins (who would have to sign an extension and accept a trade to COL and also happen to be 33 and desperately want to win a cup) and Schneider???

Why not just trade one Sedin to Tampa for Stamkos and the other to the Islanders for Tavares?

Ok...you lost me on this one. Rask, Quick, Lundqvist, Anderson and maybe Rinne. Other than that...no way.

Ward? Ugh.
- djamon

all i'm saying is every goalie on that list has proven more than schneider (which is nothing). I don't claim gardiner IS a superstar, i claim he can be good. Until schneider proves anything, how can it be said he is a lock? hasn't even played what comprises a half season in the show, and his playoff record is awful. Do i think he has the tools to be great? Yes, but lots of guys do that don't reach their potential.

All i hear in this thread is 'you're nuts, schneider is great, etc'..how about reasons why? That's all i'm getting at.

Ya, that's frustrating. But I don't think you're giving Reimer enough credit. Sure, Crawford won the Cup and was considered the Hawks MVP by many, but I think Reimer was the all around best Canadian goalie in the NHL. And it's been the way already for more than just this past season. I'll be shocked if Reimer isn't the starter in Sochi.
- hankthetank

I hope you're right. It's great for a young guy's development.

Yes 14th best. I'd take several goalies over schneider:

Hiller, Rask, Miller, Ward, Howard, Quick, Price, Rinne, Lundqvist, Anderson, Smith, Halak, Brodeur (over one season only). That's 13.
- clark_griswold

now you're just using your hatred for a team cloud your judgement.

hiller is extremely overrated.
rask has proven himself.
miller is trending down quickly and is a cancer. nobody wants him.
ward has been trending down for years.
howard is solid but not a star. what you see is what you get. upside from current is low.
quick is obviously a phenom.
price is probably the most overrated goalie in the league. the price is wrong biatch.
rinner had an off year. still in my top 5.
lundquist is a phenom. top 3.
anderson failed under pressure. don't want him.
smith is a product of his environment. put him in edmonton and he has a fuhr like GAA of 5.45 (which still might be enough to win).
halak is a 1b goalie and always will be. he's vanbiesbrouck, not richter.
brodeur. doesn't deserve to be shredded. he's a HOF.

all i'm saying is every goalie on that list has proven more than schneider (which is nothing). I don't claim gardiner IS a superstar, i claim he can be good. Until schneider proves anything, how can it be said he is a lock? hasn't even played what comprises a half season in the show, and his playoff record is awful. Do i think he has the tools to be great? Yes, but lots of guys do that don't reach their potential.

All i hear in this thread is 'you're nuts, schneider is great, etc'..how about reasons why? That's all i'm getting at.
- clark_griswold

Fair enough.

Weekend plan:

Put Luongo on waivers. Buyout once he clears.
- carcus

I have heard from many places that at least 10 teams are preparing some pretty good offers for Lou so buying out is not an option. Darren Millard even said he heard that peitreangelo may be in play if Lou should be made available for St. Louis to steal from us, however there are currently believed to be 5 or 6 better offers.

So Colorado desperately needs defencemen, but they'll trade a 25 year old, 6'4, 230lb d-man, along with a 22 year old all star sniper AND the #1 pick overall for the Sedins (who would have to sign an extension and accept a trade to COL and also happen to be 33 and desperately want to win a cup) and Schneider???

Why not just trade one Sedin to Tampa for Stamkos and the other to the Islanders for Tavares?
- KB3Point0

no thanks.
i think you're overvaluing johnson and duchense by the way. johnson is a bust and buy out candidate and duchesne is a 30 goal man, not a 40 goal man.

I hope you're right. It's great for a young guy's development.
- djamon

It's scary to think that Reimer still hasn't reached his full potential. He's already the best goalie in the country, by quite a bit, imagine how good he'll be when he reaches his ceiling? Looking at his style of play I think he'll be a hybrid of Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Gretzky and Michael Jordan.

now you're just using your hatred for a team cloud your judgement.

hiller is extremely overrated.
rask has proven himself.
miller is trending down quickly and is a cancer. nobody wants him.
ward has been trending down for years.
howard is solid but not a star. what you see is what you get. upside from current is low.
quick is obviously a phenom.
price is probably the most overrated goalie in the league. the price is wrong biatch.
rinner had an off year. still in my top 5.
lundquist is a phenom. top 3.
anderson failed under pressure. don't want him.
smith is a product of his environment. put him in edmonton and he has a fuhr like GAA of 5.45 (which still might be enough to win).
halak is a 1b goalie and always will be. he's vanbiesbrouck, not richter.
brodeur. doesn't deserve to be shredded. he's a HOF.
- therealagent

what you pointed out here were question marks - and some are legit. But i could say 'schneider crapped his pants in this year's playoffs, etc' as well. Every goalie on that list has PROVEN more than schneider. Potential? yes. Proven it yet? Show me.

now you're just using your hatred for a team cloud your judgement.hiller is extremely overrated.
rask has proven himself.
miller is trending down quickly and is a cancer. nobody wants him.
ward has been trending down for years.
howard is solid but not a star. what you see is what you get. upside from current is low.
quick is obviously a phenom.
price is probably the most overrated goalie in the league. the price is wrong biatch.
rinner had an off year. still in my top 5.
lundquist is a phenom. top 3.
anderson failed under pressure. don't want him.
smith is a product of his environment. put him in edmonton and he has a fuhr like GAA of 5.45 (which still might be enough to win).
halak is a 1b goalie and always will be. he's vanbiesbrouck, not richter.
brodeur. doesn't deserve to be shredded. he's a HOF.
- therealagent

LOL i don't hate the canucks franchise, just burrows and lapiere. I like schneider as a goalie acutally. He handled the situation with luongo with class. They both did. Again, see my above post about not showing anything concrete yet.

Would YOU argue that? (thought not)
- djamon

The team in front of the goalies was absolutely horrible for the second half of 2012. They were not good for most of this past year. They had no 2nd or 3rd line center for virtually the entire season. AV's system was a complete mess. So no, they were not a good team the past season and a half.

now you're just using your hatred for a team cloud your judgement.

hiller is extremely overrated.
rask has proven himself.
miller is trending down quickly and is a cancer. nobody wants him.
ward has been trending down for years.
howard is solid but not a star. what you see is what you get. upside from current is low.
quick is obviously a phenom.
price is probably the most overrated goalie in the league. the price is wrong biatch.
rinner had an off year. still in my top 5.
lundquist is a phenom. top 3.
anderson failed under pressure. don't want him.
smith is a product of his environment. put him in edmonton and he has a fuhr like GAA of 5.45 (which still might be enough to win).
halak is a 1b goalie and always will be. he's vanbiesbrouck, not richter.
brodeur. doesn't deserve to be shredded. he's a HOF.
- therealagent

This!

I have heard from many places that at least 10 teams are preparing some pretty good offers for Lou so buying out is not an option. Darren Millard even said he heard that peitreangelo may be in play if Lou should be made available for St. Louis to steal from us, however there are currently believed to be 5 or 6 better offers.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Weekend plan:

Put Luongo on waivers. Buyout once he clears.
- carcus

Sounds good to me.

what you pointed out here were question marks - and some are legit. But i could say 'schneider crapped his pants in this year's playoffs, etc' as well. Every goalie on that list has PROVEN more than schneider. Potential? yes. Proven it yet? Show me.
- clark_griswold

schneider was fricken awful in game 3 and 4. he's the sole reason we lost. we would not have been swept with Lu in goal. even thornton was quoted to say they were lucky Lu didn't play game 3 and 4. schneids had a bad groin and shouldn't have played. I think AV had pressure to play him in case Lu crapped the bed and became even more untradeable.

that being said every expert has said schneider's potential is through the roof much like they spoke about rask. schneider, without question, will be a #1 goalie in this league. where he ranks is open to debate but let's not debate the fact he's a #1 and would be taken over most of the guys in your list which was written from the heart and not from any reasonable planning.

Yes 14th best. I'd take several goalies over schneider:

Hiller, Rask, Miller, Ward, Howard, Quick, Price, Rinne, Lundqvist, Anderson, Smith, Halak, Brodeur (over one season only). That's 13.
- clark_griswold

This is ridiculous. Hiller, Miller, Ward, Howard, Halak, Brodeur?

It's scary to think that Reimer still hasn't reached his full potential. He's already the best goalie in the country, by quite a bit, imagine how good he'll be when he reaches his ceiling? Looking at his style of play I think he'll be a hybrid of Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Gretzky and Michael Jordan.
- hankthetank

The aweful thing is that leafs fans seem to look down on Lou but when Reimer leads Canada to gold next year I'm sure Lou will be the first guy to congratulate him as they will be the only two active Canadian goalies to win in the gold medal game.

This is ridiculous. Hiller, Miller, Ward, Howard, Halak, Brodeur?
- KB3Point0

for one season, yes. Again, i have not heard single reason why i would be comfortable going into the playoffs with schneider. All the goalies i mentioned on the list have proven themselves in the playoffs.

I'm not talking about contract, age, i'm talking about who i want in my net for the playoffs, where schneider's record is AWFUL so far.

It's scary to think that Reimer still hasn't reached his full potential. He's already the best goalie in the country, by quite a bit, imagine how good he'll be when he reaches his ceiling? Looking at his style of play I think he'll be a hybrid of Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Gretzky and Michael Jordan.
- hankthetank

Look at the stats this year smart a$$. You think Ward, or Price or even Luongo was better than Reimer this year?

Keep chirping kid.

all i'm saying is every goalie on that list has proven more than schneider (which is nothing). I don't claim gardiner IS a superstar, i claim he can be good. Until schneider proves anything, how can it be said he is a lock? hasn't even played what comprises a half season in the show, and his playoff record is awful. Do i think he has the tools to be great? Yes, but lots of guys do that don't reach their potential.

All i hear in this thread is 'you're nuts, schneider is great, etc'..how about reasons why? That's all i'm getting at.
- clark_griswold

No, you're just ignoring the reasons. His numbers are fantastic. His technique is excellent. He has excelled at every level he's played. He's big in the net. And if you've actually watched him, you would know he is the real deal.

schneider was fricken awful in game 3 and 4. he's the sole reason we lost. we would not have been swept with Lu in goal. even thornton was quoted to say they were lucky Lu didn't play game 3 and 4. schneids had a bad groin and shouldn't have played. I think AV had pressure to play him in case Lu crapped the bed and became even more untradeable.

that being said every expert has said schneider's potential is through the roof much like they spoke about rask. schneider, without question, will be a #1 goalie in this league. where he ranks is open to debate but let's not debate the fact he's a #1 and would be taken over most of the guys in your list which was written from the heart and not from any reasonable planning.
- therealagent

I have never denied the potential is there for schneider. but is it out of the realm to think he won't realize it? Is that crazy? If we're going on potential, i guess gardiner is the next Jesus.

no thanks.
i think you're overvaluing johnson and duchense by the way. johnson is a bust and buy out candidate and duchesne is a 30 goal man, not a 40 goal man.
- therealagent

I'm not overvaluing Johnson at all. He's a solid D-man on a team that needs D-men. And Duchene is at least a 30 goal scorer, probably a 40 goal scorer. You are undervaluing them. Johnson a buyout candidate??? He only makes $3.75M!!!

No, you're just ignoring the reasons. His numbers are fantastic. His technique is excellent. He has excelled at every level he's played. He's big in the net. And if you've actually watched him, you would know he is the real deal.
- KB3Point0

i have watched him several times, and he has the tools. But the last i saw of him was not a pretty sight, which is when the chips were down and the pressure was on. We can't say if he'll be the next andrew raycroft or the next pat roy. What we can say is when he was given the opportunity, he failed. That's all i'm saying. I do believe he will be very good, but i have been wrong before and nothing is a lock. You guys saying he is a lock already is what i'm arguing.