agreed. Dion gets ripped on, and while he's not the best in the league, he is way overworked and needs support. Even chara looked like ass in the finals due to being overworked. Franson is good, but he doesn't have to shut down ovie, or nash and play 25 mins a game. Fans screaming to get rid of dion for nothing have no clue about the game of hockey. Does he make mistakes? of course, and more than anyone else as he plays more than anyone else.
- clark_griswold

I thought Chara looked a little shaky against us too. I didn't see him play against the Rangers or much against the Pens (since I had stopped watching hockey for a while), but he was definitely abused in the Finals.

It just goes to show...ALL #1 defensemen make mistakes when they're on the ice for 27 minutes against the other team's best players.

Does the buyout period run right to July 5th?
- LeftCoaster

July 4th at 5pm ET.

Yeah...the 1st is high this year. But I just think starting goalies' value is much higher than 2C right now. You're right about Schenn's value being too high initially, but do you see him as any better, right now, than Bozak?
- djamon

i would say that schenn has more talent for sure, but bozak is a smarter player. Points wise, and flashiness go to schenn no doubt (when he realizes his potential). Bozak will never put up big points but he is a very smart player, and that is an intangible you can't teach.

i would say that schenn has more talent for sure, but bozak is a smarter player. Points wise, and flashiness go to schenn no doubt (when he realizes his potential). Bozak will never put up big points but he is a very smart player, and that is an intangible you can't teach.
- clark_griswold

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this

I thought Chara looked a little shaky against us too. I didn't see him play against the Rangers or much against the Pens (since I had stopped watching hockey for a while), but he was definitely abused in the Finals.

It just goes to show...ALL #1 defensemen make mistakes when they're on the ice for 27 minutes against the other team's best players.
- djamon

agreed and here's the dion thing (not to distract from cancucks thread). He does a bit of everything - offense / physical shutdown. So while there are many better D than him in this league, he is a #1 as he does both. Letang is all offense, same with guys like Campbell, boyle etc. Far from the best #1, but with our current D corps being a little weak, dion fits in better than alot of the better D around the league that don't do it all.

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this
- I-own_da-Northwest

i wouldn't if i was the leafs, simply because we don't need schroeder. While gunnarsson isn't an all star, he's cheap and reliable. We need to strengthen our D not deplete it.

July 4th at 5pm ET.
- djamon

Thanks

i wouldn't if i was the leafs, simply because we don't need schroeder. While gunnarsson isn't an all star, he's cheap and reliable. We need to strengthen our D not deplete it.
- clark_griswold

How about Loungo+2013 4th+ rights to Andrew Alberts for Bozak+Gardiner+2013 1st? Again I think both teams win as TO gets the wall in net capable of 2-3 solid rounds in the playoffs and the definition of a stay at home defenseman, plus a solid mid-round pick. The Canucks get centre depth, a solid 4th/5th puck moving D-man and a solid prospect

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this
- I-own_da-Northwest

Did your computer freeze for the lat year? i think everyone has moved on, including Bozak

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this
- I-own_da-Northwest

Pressing needs? We have 2 starters already. We didn't trade 3 assets to LA so Bernier could play for the Marlies.

Did your computer freeze for the lat year? i think everyone has moved on, including Bozak
- Canada Cup

Solid all around trade and I don't think you'll get better value for Gardiner than that+ you guys get the bonus of being able to move out Reimer for probably great value, something like the Oilers 2nd round pick

Gillis is going to surprise a lot of people this weekend. I know a few people inside the Canucks organization and they are all saying something big is going down at the draft. Lets just say the Canucks will be picking in the top 10 at the draft. I've already said too much.

How about Loungo+2013 4th+ rights to Andrew Alberts for Bozak+Gardiner+2013 1st? Again I think both teams win as TO gets the wall in net capable of 2-3 solid rounds in the playoffs and the definition of a stay at home defenseman, plus a solid mid-round pick. The Canucks get centre depth, a solid 4th/5th puck moving D-man and a solid prospect
- I-own_da-Northwest

I've read some idiotic things on the Oilers blog about moving gagner for
gardiner+ but this is just plain bizarro world.

Basically this is two number 1's and a #2 center for Bobby Lou. You are not going to get first round value for Luongo. Especially not Gardiner whose upside is huge and is more like a # 3 right now with # 1-2 potential in the near future. People say Leaf fans are blinded by homerism. Vancouver should deal Schneider and play Luongo. Problem solved. Oh wait, they've already embarrassed and peeved off Luongo and he has already checked out.

Did I mention the Leafs already have two good young goalies?

Solid all around trade and I don't think you'll get better value for Gardiner than that+ you guys get the bonus of being able to move out Reimer for probably great value, something like the Oilers 2nd round pick
- I-own_da-Northwest

Are you trolling on your own thread? If so...bravo. Reimer, if he was traded, gets more in return than Bernier.

Repeat...we don't have enough d-men to be trading any away. Gunner, Gardiner etc are all staying. The Lu to Toronto pipe dreams are over. Focus on NYI...they're your best bet right now.

I've read some idiotic things on the Oilers blog about moving gagner for
gardiner+ but this is just plain bizarro world.
- WendelClark82

6'5 defensive d-men are hard to come by and to get something you have to get something, I don't think it's a stretch to say that Alberts could be the next Chara

Are you trolling on your own thread? If so...bravo. Reimer, if he was traded, gets more in return than Bernier.

Repeat...we don't have enough d-men to be trading any away. Gunner, Gardiner etc are all staying. The Lu to Toronto pipe dreams are over. Focus on NYI...they're your best bet right now.
- djamon

Leafs fans think Gardiner is so good.
The sad reality for you guys is that he's a poor mans Chris Tanev. Trade him while some other GM's are still dumb enough to think he could be a top 4 d-man.

Gillis is going to surprise a lot of people this weekend. I know a few people inside the Canucks organization and they are all saying something big is going down at the draft. Lets just say the Canucks will be picking in the top 10 at the draft. I've already said too much.
- hankthetank

nobody walks out of here with the twins except for us to quote the great brian burke.

i think the canucks got eriksson as insurance in case schneider is the guy who gets traded. schneider, edler, 1st will go to Colorado. too bad o'brien got dealt or he'd be the centerpiece coming back.

reimer will get traded to the flames. he's some pissed and i don't blame him. i'd rather have reimer than bernier based on their body of work but if bernier turns into their next cujo, the province will go wild.

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this
- I-own_da-Northwest

so...why does Toronto need a 3rd starting goalie?

Are you trolling on your own thread? If so...bravo. Reimer, if he was traded, gets more in return than Bernier.

Repeat...we don't have enough d-men to be trading any away. Gunner, Gardiner etc are all staying. The Lu to Toronto pipe dreams are over. Focus on NYI...they're your best bet right now.
- djamon

Okay Loungo+Ballard+2016 1st for Johnny Tavares. Vancouver gets the 3rd line centre they so desperately crave and the NYI get to fill many holes+ help to get to the cap floor.

Are you trolling on your own thread? If so...bravo. Reimer, if he was traded, gets more in return than Bernier.

Repeat...we don't have enough d-men to be trading any away. Gunner, Gardiner etc are all staying. The Lu to Toronto pipe dreams are over. Focus on NYI...they're your best bet right now.
- djamon

I'd agree with Reimer being great value, I'd actually love to see the Isles make a move for him

Okay Loungo+Ballard+2016 1st for Johnny Tavares. Vancouver gets the 3rd line centre they so desperately crave and the NYI get to fill many holes+ help to get to the cap floor.
- I-own_da-Northwest

lol you're funny.

Okay Loungo+Ballard+2016 1st for Johnny Tavares. Vancouver gets the 3rd line centre they so desperately crave and the NYI get to fill many holes+ help to get to the cap floor.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Hank does the routine better than you. He doesn't even have to try

so...why does Toronto need a 3rd starting goalie?
- Isles_since_6

They don't thats why they would then flip Reimer for edmontons 37th overall pick. Plus bernier is what 25 or 26 and only played 62 games in mostly meaningless situations this way it buys TO some time so that Bernier can get groomed for a starting role at the prime age of 28 or 29ish

Are you trolling on your own thread? If so...bravo. Reimer, if he was traded, gets more in return than Bernier.

Repeat...we don't have enough d-men to be trading any away. Gunner, Gardiner etc are all staying. The Lu to Toronto pipe dreams are over. Focus on NYI...they're your best bet right now.
- djamon

here's what i don't get. the isles are on record saying they will never buy out dipietro yet they will also never play him again. if they're going to pay the 4.5/year to not play, why not pay 5.3 a year for a guy who makes you a contender in the east. with a better goalie, they get past pittsburgh. if they decide after 5 years they don't want to play luongo it's not their problem to solve. it's vancouver's with the recapture. this is really a no brainer for the isles which leads me to believe either Lu said no or the Canucks said no. Either way if they don't deal cory, Lu is traded or bought out. Why not buy out dipietro instead and get a conditional pick from the isles. if the isles make the playoffs in 3 of the next 5 years with Lu playing at least 55 games, it's a 2nd rounder in 2018. if they win the cup in the next 5 years, it's a 1st rounder in 2018. if they miss the playoffs in 3 of the next 5 years, the canucks send a 2nd rounder. risk/reward on both sides. just get your head out of your ass gillis and don't let the window hit your ass on the way out as it continues to close.

Okay Loungo+Ballard+2016 1st for Johnny Tavares. Vancouver gets the 3rd line centre they so desperately crave and the NYI get to fill many holes+ help to get to the cap floor.
- I-own_da-Northwest

You're hilarious. I'm slow today...I get you now.