No he wasn't
- Cptmjl

Kasper remembers him as one...

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I have read these comments for weeks and it seems like every time offers a trade everyone one is like no way. No matter who it is or who it is for.
- kasperrko

We waited this long we might as well see what these kids have and add what we really NEED. A goaltender and Dman. Why trade these kids when we are about to see what they have? What was the point of rebuilding? It makes no sense. To give up two and a first round for Bobby Ryan makes zero sense when even if one of those kids becomes a player comparable to him. We'd have them long term on the cheap and be able to sign an expensive FA eventually if needed. Wait five years to trade them? At this point you at the very least see what they have.

Kasper remembers him as one...

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- XxNYIxX

Well at the time the Islanders were praising him as so

We waited this long we might as well see what these kids have and add what we really NEED. A goaltender and Dman. Why trade these kids when we are about to see what they have? What was the point of rebuilding? It makes no sense. To give up two and a first round for Bobby Ryan makes zero sense when even if one of those kids becomes a player comparable to him. We'd have them long term on the cheap and be able to sign an expensive FA eventually if needed. Wait five years to trade them? At this point you at the very least see what they have.
- Cptmjl

If Garth does not sign a D man and or a goalie then you will need to trade to get one.

Whelp...sorry but I was one who was against the idea. Not so much because of what we'd give up (though I love Reinhart ) but because I think Webber's contract is one of the worst in hockey (thanks Flyers).
He's making $14 million this year! He's signed through 2026. I'm just not interested in seeing anyone costing us $8 million on the cap at age 41. The guy's great and an absolute beast, but the idea of paying him $70 million over the next 6 years alone is staggering. You end up sacrificing other spots on the team for that.
Weber puts up about 45-50 points per year and actually finished with a sub +/- thisyear. I'm not saying he's not great...he is..but I'm not interested in a contract like that if I want a true contender. Nashville will struggle for years because of that contract.

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- keaner17

Well, first, it's not my money, so what he's paid over the cap hit doesn't concern me other than knowing full well Wang wouldn't pay it. But I'd live with the cap hit for Weber. The market for defensemen is crazy. Let's say for the sake of argument that Reinhart develops into a similar player down the road...what do you think the Isles would be paying him to not hit the open market when he's at his peak?

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Whelp...sorry but I was one who was against the idea. Not so much because of what we'd give up (though I love Reinhart ) but because I think Webber's contract is one of the worst in hockey (thanks Flyers).
He's making $14 million this year! He's signed through 2026. I'm just not interested in seeing anyone costing us $8 million on the cap at age 41. The guy's great and an absolute beast, but the idea of paying him $70 million over the next 6 years alone is staggering. You end up sacrificing other spots on the team for that.
Weber puts up about 45-50 points per year and actually finished with a sub +/- thisyear. I'm not saying he's not great...he is..but I'm not interested in a contract like that if I want a true contender. Nashville will struggle for years because of that contract.

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- keaner17

Yeah....but MOST of that struggle will be because they have no ACTUAL money. Once we get to Brooklyn, we won't have that problem, for sure, and I doubt we really have it now. If you're going to have a nucleus of two great offensive players, at least one great defenseman, and one great goalie, chances are that all of their cap hits are going to be between $6-8M, at least. You might be able to finagle the goalie situation, but you're probably going to need the other three of those assets in order to perpetually contend, especially one superstar on offense, and one guy on the back end who is top shelf. That's why the cap hit doesn't bother me. Some guys are worth the money- he would be one of them.

Well, I highly doubt anyone here shot down a proposal of Nino and Reinhart for Weber, unless it was to point out the simple fact that you're not getting Weber for Nino and Reinhart...

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- UIF

Well, first, it's not my money, so what he's paid over the cap hit doesn't concern me other than knowing full well Wang wouldn't pay it. But I'd live with the cap hit for Weber. The market for defensemen is crazy. Let's say for the sake of argument that Reinhart develops into a similar player down the road...what do you think the Isles would be paying him to not hit the open market when he's at his peak?

((UIF))
- UIF

Kasper remembers him as one...

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- XxNYIxX

What we traded for Ryan Smyth was on that lady's face in that picture that keeps showing up on these threads....you know.....probably should have taken a shower in the toilet....

If Garth does not sign a D man and or a goalie then you will need to trade to get one.
- kasperrko

Ok. correct. We have a week like every other team. I see him signing before trading and I hope he does. What's the point in trading an asset when you can sign someone without giving up anything? Makes no sense?

Well at the time the Islanders were praising him as so
- kasperrko

Shocker but I think most knew he wasn't much? Nobody was upset when he went to Edmonton. Believe me, everyone knew his value when he went and the thinking overall wasn't that he was a great prospect. Certainly not close to the caliber/potential of Strome, Nederriter , Nelson.

Well, I highly doubt anyone here shot down a proposal of Nino and Reinhart for Weber, unless it was to point out the simple fact that you're not getting Weber for Nino and Reinhart...

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- UIF

Actually, the offer I was discussing was more than that. Probably including an NHL winger AND the draft pick as well, if I remember correctly. I'd basically give our draft pick, and four of anything short of Tavares or Strome, who I think is going to be our answer for Tavares' wing (annnnnnnnnnnnd......... "but, he's a center," in 3.....2....1.....), in order to bring him in here. He IS every bit of that good.

What we traded for Ryan Smyth was on that lady's face in that picture that keeps showing up on these threads....you know.....probably should have taken a shower in the toilet....
- dcb1

We did give up a first which Edmonton turned into Plante(I think) who never amounted to anything. It was a good trade initially and turned out to be an even better one when Smyth didn't sign

We did give up a first which Edmonton turned into Plante(I think) who never amounted to anything. It was a good trade initially and turned out to be an even better one when Smyth didn't sign
- Cptmjl

It began the cleanse of the pre-2006 stink off the walls of the Coliseum.....

Actually, the offer I was discussing was more than that. Probably including an NHL winger AND the draft pick as well, if I remember correctly. I'd basically give our draft pick, and four of anything short of Tavares or Strome, who I think is going to be our answer for Tavares' wing (annnnnnnnnnnnd......... "but, he's a center," in 3.....2....1.....), in order to bring him in here. He IS every bit of that good.
- dcb1

But he's a center. Seriously, why does everyone keep putting this kid on the wing when we are in obvious need of a 2nd line center? Defensive responsibilities? Every young kid has to deal with that. We just move them to the wing instead? I know he's a good playmaker and would compliment JT but Strome is a center(had to do it ).

We waited this long we might as well see what these kids have and add what we really NEED. A goaltender and Dman. Why trade these kids when we are about to see what they have? What was the point of rebuilding? It makes no sense. To give up two and a first round for Bobby Ryan makes zero sense when even if one of those kids becomes a player comparable to him. We'd have them long term on the cheap and be able to sign an expensive FA eventually if needed. Wait five years to trade them? At this point you at the very least see what they have.
- Cptmjl

agreed. It's not necessarily playoffs or bust for me this coming season. It's more about breaking in some of these highly touted prospects and getting their feet wet so we can see what we have, and not trading them before we get a good look.

If we take a step back this year to take 2 steps forward next year I'm okay with it. I've had enough Milbury and don't want to see our prospects develop into stars somewhere else.

It began the cleanse of the pre-2006 stink off the walls of the Coliseum.....
- dcb1

In the end Smyth not signing with us might be the single best thing that has happened to this club in thirty years. Next to DP getting bought out of course

But he's a center. Seriously, why does everyone keep putting this kid on the wing when we are in obvious need of a 2nd line center? Defensive responsibilities? Every young kid has to deal with that. We just move them to the wing instead? I know he's a good playmaker and would compliment JT but Strome is a center(had to do it ).
- Cptmjl

if Nelson can be a second line center then I'm totally fine with strome on the wing.

Here is my opinion on Ryan

I am 100% positive that the second Ryan can play for Philly, he will. I am NOT willing to give up Nino for 2 years of Ryan. Also Ryan already plays with Getzlaf, so I don't see Ryan putting up more than 5-7 goals more on JT's wing.

agreed. It's not necessarily playoffs or bust for me this coming season. It's more about breaking in some of these highly touted prospects and getting their feet wet so we can see what we have, and not trading them before we get a good look.

If we take a step back this year to take 2 steps forward next year I'm okay with it. I've had enough Milbury and don't want to see our prospects develop into stars somewhere else.
- Isles_since_6

I'm not on board with this. Keep moving forward. I think it's imperative this team makes the PO's but I do understand your way of thinking, just don't agree. I think they can do this with the addition of two or three kids. Plus I need more Islander playoff hockey

if Nelson can be a second line center then I'm totally fine with strome on the wing.
- Isles_since_6

Yeah any combination of the two. Whatever works in the end. I just haven't seen a made up line up on here that didn't have him on the wing?

Well, first, it's not my money, so what he's paid over the cap hit doesn't concern me other than knowing full well Wang wouldn't pay it. But I'd live with the cap hit for Weber. The market for defensemen is crazy. Let's say for the sake of argument that Reinhart develops into a similar player down the road...what do you think the Isles would be paying him to not hit the open market when he's at his peak?

((UIF))
- UIF

I think this is one of the rare occasions where the players actual cost as compared to their cap hit has to be considered. When you ask a team to cover $70 million over 6 years and allow the contract to spread the damage over 14 years it becomes a significant piece of your cap. In the case of Reinhart, he'd go through his ELC and then his first vet contract that I seriously doubt would approach the amount and tenure that Weber's does no matter how good he is. In addition, if you have build a team that has a couple of other high impact players, you're now left with either the choice of losing another elite player or signing crap for the rest of your team.

My bigger issue is, while I think Weber is arguably the best dman in the league, I don't think he's so far ahead of the other top five that I could justify a contract like that. His offensive stats are 'good', not $14 million annual good. I just think I'd prefer to see a shorter commitment than that.

I'm sure if it happened I wouldn't scream bloody murder, but I wouldn't go out of my way to acquire a contract like that.

Xxkeaner17xX

But he's a center. Seriously, why does everyone keep putting this kid on the wing when we are in obvious need of a 2nd line center? Defensive responsibilities? Every young kid has to deal with that. We just move them to the wing instead? I know he's a good playmaker and would compliment JT but Strome is a center(had to do it ).
- Cptmjl

He seemed small when I saw him....not short, small....and quick as he11, shifty. I think the second line center will end up being Nelson, who we hopefully can have fly under the radar in any trade scenario.

I'm not on board with this. Keep moving forward. I think it's imperative this team makes the PO's but I do understand your way of thinking, just don't agree. I think they can do this with the addition of two or three kids. Plus I need more Islander playoff hockey
- Cptmjl

I understand that and I would love to see these team keep taking steps forward. If they do take one back due to the amount of kids breaking into the roster then I'm okay with it. If they send them to bridgeport and resign pandolfo then I'll probably go postal (just an example, it's not happening)

Dying to see if Nelson, Nino, Strome and Donovan can all make the roster. I don't think so, but it would be one hell of a young team.

He seemed small when I saw him....not short, small....and quick as he11, shifty. I think the second line center will end up being Nelson, who we hopefully can have fly under the radar in any trade scenario.
- dcb1

last rookie camp and training camp I didn't find strome to be that quick, maybe my expectations were too high or the poopty internet feed wasn't running properly, but I'm interested to see him now.