Once again you have to give up something to get something. So far no one can come with anything. None of you want to get rid of any kids we drafted. You guys remind me of someone.......hmmmmmmm.......oh yeah you all have the Garth
Snow mentality, that through osmosis we will get our star player
- kasperrko

So...you just completely ignored my offer of Nino and a first for Vanek. And you have yet to put a single offer on the table yourself. Love the discussion, but if you're going to say things like I'm not willing to trade a prospect two posts after I just proposed trading a prospect...then it makes things a little difficult here!

((UIF))

I mean it seems like every guy we ever drafted is hands off. Problem is teams want prospects for a good return. If we don't trade any of them then we are never going to get anyone. Once in a while you go for the gamble and trade one or two pieces away. We have plenty in the system now where we can do that, and GArth himself said "We now have the prospects to make trades". Still nothing has happened
- kasperrko

My argument is that to go top shelf, you need to bring the ammo to the table. You can't just offer cr*p you don't want for high end talent. I agreed with everyone on Bernier- I figured the MOST you put up for that, if you're VERY sure he's going to be solid at the NHL level, is Niederreiter straight up....more than that is WAY too much, and I figure if that's what you ask for, then my counter is LESS than that, besides everything else. That said, for a bona fide superstar, you can't trade Colin McDonald, Pedan and a 5th round draft pick, or whatever, because someone else is going to pony up more than that. Billy Harris and Dave Lewis were good hockey players.....but we needed Butch Goring to move to the next level. Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.

Once again you have to give up something to get something. So far no one can come with anything. None of you want to get rid of any kids we drafted. You guys remind me of someone.......hmmmmmmm.......oh yeah you all have the Garth
Snow mentality, that through osmosis we will get our star player
- kasperrko

Not true! Although we now have the players and prospects in house to make a significant trade....we just don't wanna

Xxkeaner17xX

As far as Okposo and Bailey I'll say they "matured" when I see them come out the gates the way they played the end of the season into the PO's. Bailey I've always been a fan of but he's got to show some consistency. If they play to their abilities(which we know now)and two of those kids can play a signifigant part up front along with Donovan being able to handle some minutes we are good. That is if Snow can land a Dman and starter via free agency.
There is potnetial there for a good team. We just need Snow to do his job and a couple of these kids to step in and do well.
- Cptmjl

ya i agree...im not sold on bailey or (definitely) Ko...at this point if KO has more value than nino id be much more willing to include him in a package then nino.

Well, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough for someone like you to understand but I wasn't saying they were ready to take over NOW. Hence the reason I said we need a stop gap, as in someone to fill in for this year. In fact, I've repeated this same stance several times over the last month or two.

However, if we're going to slide back into a simple hockey debate (which we should likely both do), I'll say this regarding Poulin and Nilsson.
It's been a while since they were drafted. At this point, the time has come over the next two seasons to fish or cut bait with them as potential franchise goalies. I'd say we should allow Poulin to split duties with another goaltender or at least see 30% of the action so we can take serious considerations on what to do with him by the trade deadline. At that stage, we can decide if we want to acquire another goalie, stick with Poulin, or promote Nilsson. Could Poulin be a number one this year? I doubt it, though if he gets 35 starts between now and the end of the season and shows a decent adjustment to the NHL level, you can't dismiss the idea that we could consider him come playoff time. Is he ready NOW to be our #1? Abso-frickin'-lutely not. He only got 4 starts last year.

Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

I agree here, by the way- IF one of them starts to step up over the next two seasons. That's the goalie I'm looking for (which is why I don't want Luongo)- a two year plan, which gets us to Brooklyn and the more likely potential to be able to sign a big time player if the other two don't pan out. That's why I'd also rather go elsewhere than Nabokov, by the way, because I'm not sure he has two left in him.

My argument is that to go top shelf, you need to bring the ammo to the table. You can't just offer cr*p you don't want for high end talent. I agreed with everyone on Bernier- I figured the MOST you put up for that, if you're VERY sure he's going to be solid at the NHL level, is Niederreiter straight up....more than that is WAY too much, and I figure if that's what you ask for, then my counter is LESS than that, besides everything else. That said, for a bona fide superstar, you can't trade Colin McDonald, Pedan and a 5th round draft pick, or whatever, because someone else is going to pony up more than that. Billy Harris and Dave Lewis were good hockey players.....but we needed Butch Goring to move to the next level. Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.
- dcb1

I don't know man, you and Kasper are pretty good at setting up strawmen and knocking them down today. Neither of you has proposed a single deal, but you've invented arguments none of us are making and are saying we refuse to make deals even as we're proposing them.

((UIF))

"I waited until the last minute to actually look at the draft prospects"

I'm guessing most people that write blogs for a hockey site do this?
- Cptmjl

translation..I've done no work sooooo lets take a goalie..isles will draft a goalie..it won't be in the first round

My argument is that to go top shelf, you need to bring the ammo to the table. You can't just offer cr*p you don't want for high end talent. I agreed with everyone on Bernier- I figured the MOST you put up for that, if you're VERY sure he's going to be solid at the NHL level, is Niederreiter straight up....more than that is WAY too much, and I figure if that's what you ask for, then my counter is LESS than that, besides everything else. That said, for a bona fide superstar, you can't trade Colin McDonald, Pedan and a 5th round draft pick, or whatever, because someone else is going to pony up more than that. Billy Harris and Dave Lewis were good hockey players.....but we needed Butch Goring to move to the next level. Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.
- dcb1

I think you're right in that we can't expect to give up Josh Bailey to get Bobby Ryan but the one major difference between the Goring era and now is we didn't have cap casualties back then. So a guy like Ryan might be had for a far less expensive price than we may perceive due to their need to reduce salary. I realize the market may drive his price back up but Anaheim wouldn't be trading Ryan because the want to, they'd be dealing him because they have to. That shifts the bounds of leverage a bit.

Xxkeaner17xX

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 16m

As per @RealKyper report, #Isles indeed interested in Luongo-DP swap. Only that deal though, so VAN may look elsewhere for asset in return

All of you are smarter in these types of things than me but what is the logic of the Islanders bringing in a bigger contract with a longer term...

Who has said that? I'm not saying Poulin can't be a number one, but he needs to make a significant leap in his development for that to happen. Maybe with extensive playing time this year he can adjust to the NHL game and improve enough to provide hope in 2014, but I really think everyone is just keeping the seat warm for Nilsson that year.


Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

i'm on record...poulin can not be a starting goalie in the nhl unless he fixes the massive holes in his game

Once again you have to give up something to get something. So far no one can come with anything. None of you want to get rid of any kids we drafted. You guys remind me of someone.......hmmmmmmm.......oh yeah you all have the Garth
Snow mentality, that through osmosis we will get our star player
- kasperrko

Nino looks good, Nelson looks good and is big, Strome i don't have to tell you. I know it's potential but this is the opportunity to see these kids. We've been waiting and facking losing for 6 years since this began for this season in essence and you want to trade them away? Not just one but probably two in one shot for any player who will make an impact. It's just not worth it at this stage of the game.
For all of how much I don't care for Snow I was never huge on trading these kids. My gripe with him was more for not signing FA's or signing crap ones to fill space instead of addressing needs earlier. Amongst other issues I have with him which we are all aware.
Trading these kids for something that they are supposed to be after YEARS of waiting for them to mature is beyond assinine to me. Lets see what these kids have and if they fall flat and show no potential we'll have to find other ways. This is why we have been rebuilding for six years and suffering is to watch this coming season and hopefully many more if these kids have what it takes. Snow has to address other issues(goaltending, Dman)not issues that may or may not exist?

ya i agree...im not sold on bailey or (definitely) Ko...at this point if KO has more value than nino id be much more willing to include him in a package then nino.
- LetsGoIsles

I love Bailey just need to se more from him.

As far as Okposo and Bailey I'll say they "matured" when I see them come out the gates the way they played the end of the season into the PO's. Bailey I've always been a fan of but he's got to show some consistency. If they play to their abilities(which we now know)and two of those kids can play a signifigant part up front along with Donovan being able to handle some minutes we are good. That is if Snow can land a Dman and starter via free agency.
There is potnetial there for a good team. We just need Snow to do his job and a couple of these kids to step in and do well.
- Cptmjl

Definitely. I'm just saying what we saw from them during the final few games of the season and into the playoffs had them both doing many of the things they weren't prior. I'm a big believer that a playoff experience like that will have shown them the level of dedication it takes to be winners. Now knowing they can play like that in the most intense of situations will (hopefully) have them chomping at the bit to get right back into the 1st round.

xxkeaner17xx

Not true! Although we now have the players and prospects in house to make a significant trade....we just don't wanna

Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

Even if it meant to make your team better? IS this not what every team fans and or General Manager want to do???

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 16m

As per @RealKyper report, #Isles indeed interested in Luongo-DP swap. Only that deal though, so VAN may look elsewhere for asset in return

All of you are smarter in these types of things than me but what is the logic of the Islanders bringing in a bigger contract with a longer term...
- kear20

an actually talented goalie

So...you just completely ignored my offer of Nino and a first for Vanek. And you have yet to put a single offer on the table yourself. Love the discussion, but if you're going to say things like I'm not willing to trade a prospect two posts after I just proposed trading a prospect...then it makes things a little difficult here!

((UIF))
- UIF

I shouldn't have put that under your quote I take it back. I did not notice the trade proposal

I love Bailey just need to se more from him.
- Cptmjl

I agree. I want to see what KO and BAiley bring to the table at the beginning of the year. Are we going to see the laid back lazy player or the beasts we saw in the playoffs???

an actually talented goalie
- LetsGoIsles

I think I would do this trade in a hear beat. I believe Luongo still has a lot left in the tank.

i'm on record...poulin can not be a starting goalie in the nhl unless he fixes the massive holes in his game
- NYI78

Of course in order to fix those massive holes he needs to actually get some playing time. It's why I don't like developing goalies long term in the AHL. There are some flaws that goalies can get away with there that will be exposed at the NHL level (just like any player). For Poulin, his best chance and becoming and NHL goalie, will be by competing and adjusting in the NHL.


Xxkeaner17xX

I love Bailey just need to se more from him.
- Cptmjl

i like bailey and would like to see what he can do...and as much as i loved his improvements this past year, i wouldnt be shocked if he took a step back this coming year. disappointed but not shocked. (okposo even more so)

Nino looks good, Nelson looks good and is big, Strome i don't have to tell you. I know it's potential but this is the opportunity to see these kids. We've been waiting and facking losing for 6 years since this began for this season in essence and you want to trade them away? Not just one but probably two in one shot for any player who will make an impact. It's just not worth it at this stage of the game.
For all of how much I don't care for Snow I was never huge on trading these kids. My gripe with him was more for not signing FA's or signing crap ones to fill space instead of addressing needs earlier. Amongst other issues I have with him which we are all aware.
Trading these kids for something that they are supposed to be after YEARS of waiting for them to mature is beyond assinine to me. Lets see what these kids have and if they fall flat and show no potential we'll have to find other ways. This is why we have been rebuilding for six years and suffering is to watch this coming season and hopefully many more if these kids have what it takes. Snow has to address other issues(goaltending, Dman)not issues that may or may not exist?
- Cptmjl

Remember the Ryan Smyth trade?? O'marra was a huge prospect at the time and look at what happened to him

I think I would do this trade in a hear beat. I believe Luongo still has a lot left in the tank.
- kasperrko

i wouldnt touch his contract with a 10 foot pole

i'm on record...poulin can not be a starting goalie in the nhl unless he fixes the massive holes in his game
- NYI78

I believe you since you have seen more of him than any one of else. He is not ready yet

I don't know man, you and Kasper are pretty good at setting up strawmen and knocking them down today. Neither of you has proposed a single deal, but you've invented arguments none of us are making and are saying we refuse to make deals even as we're proposing them.

((UIF))
- UIF

Holy Cr@p I was thinking the same thing.

XxNYIxX

i wouldnt touch his contract with a 10 foot pole
- LetsGoIsles

Maybe some how as part of the deal the Islanders can figure out a way in regards to that