She's trying to incite a riot here, I think.
- jmo16

Nah, she is just uninformed and knows nothing about hockey.

Any of them, depending on the return.

((UIF))
- UIF

Perfectly said.

XxNYIxX

I mean it seems like every guy we ever drafted is hands off. Problem is teams want prospects for a good return. If we don't trade any of them then we are never going to get anyone. Once in a while you go for the gamble and trade one or two pieces away. We have plenty in the system now where we can do that, and GArth himself said "We now have the prospects to make trades". Still nothing has happened
- kasperrko

When good return presents itself & the price is right, something will happen... till then.... we draft & develop what we have.


XxNYIxX

When good return presents itself & the price is right, something will happen... till then.... we draft & develop what we have.


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

So... Never is what you're trying to say?

Who has said that? I'm not saying Poulin can't be a number one, but he needs to make a significant leap in his development for that to happen. Maybe with extensive playing time this year he can adjust to the NHL game and improve enough to provide hope in 2014, but I really think everyone is just keeping the seat warm for Nilsson that year.


Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

keaner quote from monday....
The Islanders don't need a long term solution at goalie via free agency, especially one that comes with a bad contract. We have two goalies that are primed and ready to take over the team within the next year. What we need is another stop gap like Nabby who can provide consistent goaltending and not sink the ship come playoff time.

Xxkeaner17xX

which is it? you just contradicted yourself.

So... Never is what you're trying to say?
- Cptmjl

Since I can think of only 2 players off the top of my head that are publicly available right now that would fit with what we need, age, and talent... Ryan & Letang.. I can break them down.
I doubt the Pens trade him within their own div, Letang is a LONG shot... but even if he was available to us.. is he want we NEED.. NO

on to Ryan
he wont come cheep & we have prospects that could be him in a few seasons. 2 years on his contract but a league wide known desire to play in Philly one day... so do you make a run for him, trade prospects that could become him for a possible 2 year return?

XxNYIxX

So... Never is what you're trying to say?
- Cptmjl

If all the offers are "here's some random guy you've heard of on hockey boards before who has a ceiling of 20 goals and who is going to bolt at the first opportunity...please give us Strome," then hopefully "never" is the right answer.

Offer a trade you think is fair.

I'll start. I've said I'd be willing to go as high as Nino and our first (two assets I value highly) in exchange for Vanek, if and only if Vanek could be signed to an extension. If the Sabres came back and said they wanted a roster player in addition or another prospect like Donovan or Nelson, or if there was no guarantee Vanek would even be open to signing with the Isles past next season, then I'd say no thanks.

((UIF))

I don't know where it's coming from. Tattoo accused me last night of saying I thought Poulin should be the #1...Never said anything of the sort. It's like dealing with the mainstream media around here!

xxkeaner17xx
- keaner17

you're such a hack. go back to stealing chuck norris facts and applying them to PA. At least those were funny instead of the rest of the BS you spew.

And for a guy who bashes me for bashing Garth, you sure are critical of Dee, who doesn't get paid a dime to go to Ice Works & games to give her two cents. No she's not the greatest blogger but she's a bigger fan than you.

keaner quote from monday....
The Islanders don't need a long term solution at goalie via free agency, especially one that comes with a bad contract. We have two goalies that are primed and ready to take over the team within the next year. What we need is another stop gap like Nabby who can provide consistent goaltending and not sink the ship come playoff time.

Xxkeaner17xX

which is it? you just contradicted yourself.
- jmo16

You highlighted the wrong part...try the sentence after the one you bolded, which makes clear he wasn't talking about this coming season, but rather finding a starting goalie for this coming season to bridge to the one after...

((UIF))

When good return presents itself & the price is right, something will happen... till then.... we draft & develop what we have.


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

That is why I said come up with a scenario which would be acceptable to Islander fans

you're such a hack. go back to stealing chuck norris facts and applying them to PA. At least those were funny instead of the rest of the BS you spew.

And for a guy who bashes me for bashing Garth, you sure are critical of Dee, who doesn't get paid a dime to go to Ice Works & games to give her two cents. No she's not the greatest blogger but she's a bigger fan than you.
- jmo16

Oh so now you're a Dee fan! AWESOME! Well as her biggest 'supporter' I understand your whimpering about the criticism she receives. Afterall, you both seem to have a similar fundamental understanding of how things work in the NHL.
I think there's a big difference between my 1-2 comments about Dee per every other blog she does (which everyone does) and your apparent obsession with Garth. Meanwhile, my only mention of you, which has set you off again, was that you accused me of proclaiming Poulin ready to be our number 1, which was totally false. Don't cry...I've read some pretty good stuff from you in the past and am confident you can pull yourself out of this rut!

Xxkeaner17xX

If all the offers are "here's some random guy you've heard of on hockey boards before who has a ceiling of 20 goals and who is going to bolt at the first opportunity...please give us Strome," then hopefully "never" is the right answer.

Offer a trade you think is fair.

I'll start. I've said I'd be willing to go as high as Nino and our first (two assets I value highly) in exchange for Vanek, if and only if Vanek could be signed to an extension. If the Sabres came back and said they wanted a roster player in addition or another prospect like Donovan or Nelson, or if there was no guarantee Vanek would even be open to signing with the Isles past next season, then I'd say no thanks.

((UIF))
- UIF

a roster player could be Frans, if Vanek was signed then traded.. id include Frans.

XxNYIxX

a roster player could be Frans, if Vanek was signed then traded.. id include Frans.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Frans in addition to Nino and first? I wouldn't go that high. Or do you mean instead of Nino?

a roster player could be Frans, if Vanek was signed then traded.. id include Frans.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

With which prospect or prospects??

keaner quote from monday....
The Islanders don't need a long term solution at goalie via free agency, especially one that comes with a bad contract. We have two goalies that are primed and ready to take over the team within the next year. What we need is another stop gap like Nabby who can provide consistent goaltending and not sink the ship come playoff time.

Xxkeaner17xX

which is it? you just contradicted yourself.
- jmo16

Well, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough for someone like you to understand but I wasn't saying they were ready to take over NOW. Hence the reason I said we need a stop gap, as in someone to fill in for this year. In fact, I've repeated this same stance several times over the last month or two.

However, if we're going to slide back into a simple hockey debate (which we should likely both do), I'll say this regarding Poulin and Nilsson.
It's been a while since they were drafted. At this point, the time has come over the next two seasons to fish or cut bait with them as potential franchise goalies. I'd say we should allow Poulin to split duties with another goaltender or at least see 30% of the action so we can take serious considerations on what to do with him by the trade deadline. At that stage, we can decide if we want to acquire another goalie, stick with Poulin, or promote Nilsson. Could Poulin be a number one this year? I doubt it, though if he gets 35 starts between now and the end of the season and shows a decent adjustment to the NHL level, you can't dismiss the idea that we could consider him come playoff time. Is he ready NOW to be our #1? Abso-frickin'-lutely not. He only got 4 starts last year.

Xxkeaner17xX

Frans in addition to Nino and first? I wouldn't go that high. Or do you mean instead of Nino?
- UIF

rather then Nino... i really dont want to move that kid.

XxNYIxX

You highlighted the wrong part...try the sentence after the one you bolded, which makes clear he wasn't talking about this coming season, but rather finding a starting goalie for this coming season to bridge to the one after...

((UIF))
- UIF

As I said, it's like dealing with the media...some things get overlooked, while red meat lines can be created with a little snipping. Admittingly I wrote that one line poorly by saying 'within the next year', but I was trying to be literal, meaning "by this time next year".

Xxkeaner17xX

If all the offers are "here's some random guy you've heard of on hockey boards before who has a ceiling of 20 goals and who is going to bolt at the first opportunity...please give us Strome," then hopefully "never" is the right answer.

Offer a trade you think is fair.

I'll start. I've said I'd be willing to go as high as Nino and our first (two assets I value highly) in exchange for Vanek, if and only if Vanek could be signed to an extension. If the Sabres came back and said they wanted a roster player in addition or another prospect like Donovan or Nelson, or if there was no guarantee Vanek would even be open to signing with the Isles past next season, then I'd say no thanks.


((UIF))
- UIF

I'd rather see these kids play in all honesty and sign a couple FA's to fill the holes. Nothing huge. I wouldn't mind signing Ferrence if we had the opportunity. Smith maybe? Emery? I'd like to see what these kids have after all the hoopla. They had some time in juniors and the AHL. Donovan, Nino, Nelson, Strome. Top four dman and a goaltender via FA and fill in the spaces with the kids

I'd rather see these kids play in all honesty and sign a couple FA's to fill the holes. Nothing huge. I wouldn't mind signing Ferrence if we had the opportunity. Smith maybe? Emery? I'd like to see what these kids have after all the hoopla. They had some time in juniors and the AHL. Donovan, Nino, Nelson, Strome. Top four dman and a goaltender via FA and fill in the spaces with the kids
- Cptmjl

Agreed. I just think the long term sustainability of success in sports is more likely by building from within than making trades. Especially with all the potential cap casualties. The one major positive we got from this past season was seeing a few of our younger players mature into their roles (Okposo, Tavares, Bailey, Hamonic, Cizikas etc). Knowing that the next wave of players from our prospect pool will begin to do the same gives us every reason to believe the improvement should be steady. I'd much rather we enhance these players with an addition or two via free agency than sacrifice a couple for an expensive addition.

Xxkeaner17xX

rather then Nino... i really dont want to move that kid.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

I don't want to move Nino for anything other than another power forward, which Vanek is.

But to your point, I've said before this team's been hunting for a potential first-line power forward ever since trading away Bertuzzi. Players like that are rarely available and never come cheap. I wouldn't trade a player who had the potential to become one (Nino) for a smallish playmaker, a defenseman or a goalie.

((UIF))

I'd rather see these kids play in all honesty and sign a couple FA's to fill the holes. Nothing huge. I wouldn't mind signing Ferrence if we had the opportunity. Smith maybe? Emery? I'd like to see what these kids have after all the hoopla. They had some time in juniors and the AHL. Donovan, Nino, Nelson, Strome. Top four dman and a goaltender via FA and fill in the spaces with the kids
- Cptmjl

Agreed! I'm looking forward to seeing what the kids can do. We've waited a long time and several of our top prospects are finally ready to step into the lineup. I don't see an urgent need to move them now just to say, "There, we made a trade!"

I'd definitely move one or more for the right return...another team's top NHL-ready prospect or a young player on the outs with his current team, etc. But I'm a happy fan if we see these kids in the lineup next season too.

((UIF))

Not really since every time someone makes a trade proposal it gets shot down no matter who. So tell me since you are the genius of the Islander brass, what type of trade would you make? Which players go and for whom??
- kasperrko

as ive been saying for weeks now...id like to explore a trade for BR and JH; that takes care of 2 needs...what would i give up? id assume a package of Nino+1st+Poulin+Dehaan + 2nd round 2014 would get them talking...

I don't want to move Nino for anything other than another power forward, which Vanek is.

But to your point, I've said before this team's been hunting for a potential first-line power forward ever since trading away Bertuzzi. Players like that are rarely available and never come cheap. I wouldn't trade a player who had the potential to become one (Nino) for a smallish playmaker, a defenseman or a goalie.

((UIF))
- UIF

Once again you have to give up something to get something. So far no one can come with anything. None of you want to get rid of any kids we drafted. You guys remind me of someone.......hmmmmmmm.......oh yeah you all have the Garth
Snow mentality, that through osmosis we will get our star player

as ive been saying for weeks now...id like to explore a trade for BR and JH; that takes care of 2 needs...what would i give up? id assume a package of Nino+1st+Poulin+Dehaan + 2nd round 2014 would get them talking...
- LetsGoIsles

We usually don't see eye to eye but thank you. So far you are the only one to come up with something and at least you are willing to give up something

Agreed. I just think the long term sustainability of success in sports is more likely by building from within than making trades. Especially with all the potential cap casualties. The one major positive we got from this past season was seeing a few of our younger players mature into their roles (Okposo, Tavares, Bailey, Hamonic, Cizikas etc). Knowing that the next wave of players from our prospect pool will begin to do the same gives us every reason to believe the improvement should be steady. I'd much rather we enhance these players with an addition or two via free agency than sacrifice a couple for an expensive addition.

Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

As far as Okposo and Bailey I'll say they "matured" when I see them come out the gates the way they played the end of the season into the PO's. Bailey I've always been a fan of but he's got to show some consistency. If they play to their abilities(which we now know)and two of those kids can play a signifigant part up front along with Donovan being able to handle some minutes we are good. That is if Snow can land a Dman and starter via free agency.
There is potnetial there for a good team. We just need Snow to do his job and a couple of these kids to step in and do well.