I believe if you look at Seguin's first 3 years vs. Kessel's, that Seguin comes out ahead. I have also read that Seguin plays a better 2-way game... although I really don't know if thaht is true. Also, a 2-way game is largely the result of what a coach holds you accountable for. Let's face it, until last year, Boston was much more focussed on both ends of the ice than Toronto.
- Aetherial

Seguin won't be close to Phil's totals at the end of their careers. Everyone can talk then.

Have I? The girl is counting down the days to go see it,

It is 9:25am and first day home from school and she jumping off everything. lol.
- LeafMan

School's out forever.

Also The Wanderers if you happened to see it.
- TML60

First Blood

It's Gagner.
- hscesq

Haha, good point. I wonder if everything thinks it was Simon Gagne we were trading for? Everything changes now.

epic flick for its time
- JIMI-JAMES

Yes...tried to watch it in the last couple years...not as epic now!!!

If Letang is turning down 7per long term. You stay far far away from him.

Sure you can point to his Norris Finalist title, but thats all about points these days, not being a well rounded defenseman.

For THAT much money + what you'd give up in a trade. NO THANKS!

School's out forever.
- AdamFrench

I remember everyone singing Schools Out by Alice Cooper once the bell rang, every year!!!!

Yes...tried to watch it in the last couple years...not as epic now!!!
- Garnie

funny how that works

I saw it and he agreed, as of today, the Leafs have destroyed the Bruins in that trade.

Potential is what it is - a hope that what you are getting will turn into what you want it to be. Kessel right now is a stud forward in the NHL and only 25yrs old.
Seguin and Hamilton may or may not turn out but in Kessel you know exactly what you have and at only 25yrs old, you know he is still getting better!!!

I wonder how easy it would be for Nonis to pull the trigger if he were offered Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel today.
- Cooshie

Listen - I despise the Leafs and you love them. This won't end. EVER. Kessel is a great player and I have no trouble seeing that, believe me. But to use the word "destroyed", when a 20 year old had the season he had last season, is a bit strong.

First Blood
- JIMI-JAMES

Have a great long weekend. I have to got to Halifax for a meeting,

Cheers.

as someone with 4 kids and I'm the only driver in the family I can see very easily how this could happen - even to someone without dementia etc. It's tragic and a huge fear of mine. Obviously is someone is using the 'car' as a babysitter while they go bar hopping or to a movie or something that is different - but if it isn't part of your daily routine to have the kid, the kid falls asleep in the back car seat, you are thinking about 1000 different things get out of your car and go about your day - just scary.
- BlowMonkey

Woah...not so fast.

If you're not at home, then that routine is broken. It ceases to become a normal day at home when you're not at home. Also, at some point, maybe...just maybe...out of 1000 things..a 2 year old you're in charge of should be one of them. This wasn't a 10 minute, 30 minute etc thing. This was hours upon hours.

It's Gagner.
- hscesq

CoC 7 infraction

If a team has to wait 4 or 5 years to see if they have won a trade,,,,,they have already lost that trade.
- bixll

Oh, now that's not true Bix.

Have a great long weekend. I have to got to Halifax for a meeting,

Cheers.
- bixll

cheers G! stay safe

If Letang is turning down 7per long term. You stay far far away from him.

Sure you can point to his Norris Finalist title, but thats all about points these days, not being a well rounded defenseman.

For THAT much money + what you'd give up in a trade. NO THANKS!
- markmark

Well said - Letang is worth at the very most $6-$6.5M
Does he forget he plays with Malkin and Crosby?

CoC 7 infraction
- Dozzer

Want to make sure he knows which player it is.

Also, GFY.

Sign Vinny. (frank) Letang.

Seguin's first 3 years - 121pts / 56 goals in 203 games
Kessel's first 3 years - 152pts / 85 goals in 222 games

In terms of defensive play, like you said, that's more about what you are held accountable for by the coach and system he puts in place. Kessel was a + 23 in his second year.
- Cooshie

not to drag this on more...but Kessel's first 3 years - 126pts

Oh, now that's not true Bix.
- hscesq

That's my opinion H, you can have yours, as wrong as it may be.

I remember everyone singing Schools Out by Alice Cooper once the bell rang, every year!!!!
- LeafMan

and then the bonfires of burning all the school year notes ....

Want to make sure he knows which player it is.

Also, GFY.
- hscesq

Want to make sure he knows which player it is.

Also, GFY.
- hscesq

now who's the ass?

Sign Vinny. (frank) Letang.
- systemtool

TY

Sign Vinny. (frank) Letang.
- systemtool

x100

Want to make sure he knows which player it is.

Also, GFY.
- hscesq

well......the second part i believe