Yeah I did.
- TML60

Gagner is (frank)ing poop

Who was the idiot on the ice in OT against the Krejci line in game 4? Phaneuf. He played against the top line the entire series.
- JasonDM

who was on for the OT winner in game 7? Franson again.

He plays like 9 minutes more on average per night more than anyone else playing against the likes of Crosby, Tavares, Lucic and so on.

Let's face it, the rest of the team is sheltered and Phaneuf is slotted against everyone that lies in the realm of elite offensive players.

No he's not a number 1 defender, but everyone else on the team as of now almost hardly qualifies as Top 4.
- Viktory

Gardiner and Franson are easily top 4. How is everyone else sheltered? Gardiner was racking up nearly the same mins as Phaneuf against Boston and played better then him.

I'm still befuddled as to why Holzer was given so much ice time. Was he a high draft pick?
- aminnes

Im still befuddled how someone actually thinks Franson>>Phaneuf, brings up points, and then gets proved wrong, but continues to think it anyways

I'm still befuddled as to why Holzer was given so much ice time. Was he a high draft pick?
- aminnes

Coaches have their players they see something in. Carlyle saw something in him, then realized he was wrong.

I'm still befuddled as to why Holzer was given so much ice time. Was he a high draft pick?
- aminnes

they put him with Dion to protect him (Holzer), and be cause they wanted a Right hand shot with him.

Franson was on with him dumbass

who was on for the OT winner in game 7?

Franson again.
- Big_Lightnin

Oh more of the lies, It was O'Byrne. Go watch the replay.

By that point the Leafs had already lost, it was only a matter of time before boston won.

Goes up against the teams top lines.

plays the most minutes out of any Dman.



Only 13 more giveaways than Franson.


go figure.
- jbold

Franson is a much more creative in his passing. Phaneuf is typically just passing the puck to his fellow D, to let him 'solve the problem'.
I'm sure Erik Karlsson has a lot of giveaways as well, but the upside of this style of play is much higher as well..
Assists would be a starting indicator for this..

If (and that's a big if) Phaneuf gets traded, chances are it will be either LA or Anaheim (most probable).
- MaximusAurelius

LA already has Doughty and Voynov, who they just signed as their #1 and 2. They don't need Phaneuf, especially at $6.5million.

How can Anaheim afford him when they just signed Getzlaf and Perry to those huge contracts? They might have to move Ryan just to accomodate those deals, so no....Dion isn't going there either.

Gagner is (frank)ing poop
- Mapleleafs_91

Agreed.

Coaches have their players they see something in. Carlyle saw something in him, then realized he was wrong.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

That makes him a damn good coach imo.

Oh more of the lies, It was O'Byrne. Go watch the replay.

By that point the Leafs had already lost, it was only a matter of time before boston won.
- JasonDM

I bet if Dion was on the ice for the winning goal in OT in game 7, you'd be saying different.


But it was Franson. Going up against Bergeron.


Something he can't do. Go up against top players.

He plays like 9 minutes more on average per night more than anyone else playing against the likes of Crosby, Tavares, Lucic and so on.

Let's face it, the rest of the team is sheltered and Phaneuf is slotted against everyone that lies in the realm of elite offensive players.

No he's not a number 1 defender, but everyone else on the team as of now almost hardly qualifies as Top 4.
- Viktory

Why isn't he a #1? I'd actually like a sincere answer besides "I don't like him."

He plays the hardest minutes of anybody in the league and finished 11th in Norris voting. He was top 10 in a number of important statistical categories.

Carlyle believes he's a number 1 and that seems to have been validated by the fact that he was the TOI leader (by a mile) on the 5th best team in the conference.

It seems that the onus is on his detractors to prove that he's not a #1, seeing as he has justified that standing with his play.

anyways, i liked how the avs got back tanguay! wasnt he the one that got the game winning goal to win cup? Excellent move to get rid of jones and bring a veteran presence back with the avs

Franson is a much more creative in his passing. Phaneuf is typically just passing the puck to his fellow D, to let him 'solve the problem'.
I'm sure Erik Karlsson has a lot of giveaways as well, but the upside of this style of play is much higher as well..
Assists would be a starting indicator for this..
- MaximusAurelius

Dion had 19 assists this season.


32 last season.

That makes him a damn good coach imo.
- UsernameUnknown

Randy is a dandy

Gagner is (frank)ing poop
- Mapleleafs_91

The only way Gardiner suits up in Oilers blue is if RNH somehow ends up wearing the blue Leaf.

Oh more of the lies, It was O'Byrne. Go watch the replay.

By that point the Leafs had already lost, it was only a matter of time before boston won.
- JasonDM

nah I had the wrong highlight pack up, so apologies for the "dumbass". They played together that game though - was when Carlyle started mixing it up.

Gardiner and Franson are easily top 4. How is everyone else sheltered? Gardiner was racking up nearly the same mins as Phaneuf against Boston and played better then him.
- JasonDM

Gardiner is a top 4 at this moment, not top 2.
Franson will be a very good #4 / #5.
Frazer a perfect #6, with a very nice upside of actually being able to pass a puck.

The player Leafs absolutely should not deal is Gunnarsson; if you're speaking of solid D on the Leafs team, then he would be the example. (obviously that's always relative to the rest of the team, but still).

Oh more of the lies, It was O'Byrne. Go watch the replay.

By that point the Leafs had already lost, it was only a matter of time before boston won.
- JasonDM

When goal #2 went in it was over....

Randy is a dandy
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He certainly knows what he's doing so far.

Why isn't he a #1? I'd actually like a sincere answer besides "I don't like him."

He plays the hardest minutes of anybody in the league and finished 11th in Norris voting. He was top 10 in a number of important statistical categories.

Carlyle believes he's a number 1 and that seems to have been validated by the fact that he was the TOI leader (by a mile) on the 5th best team in the conference.

It seems that the onus is on his detractors to prove that he's not a #1, seeing as he has justified that standing with his play.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And he does it all without a legitimate top pairing partner.


Chara has Boychuk/Seidenberg

Keith has Seabrook,

ect.


Look what happened to Weber when they took away Suter.

He looks very, very average.

Gardiner and Franson are easily top 4. How is everyone else sheltered? Gardiner was racking up nearly the same mins as Phaneuf against Boston and played better then him.
- JasonDM

Do you think that fresh legs might have had something to do with this?

And, like Franson, Gardiner was on the ice for 3 of 5 goals against in game seven. If he had been put out there 5-on-6 for the last minute, he would have probably taken a -5 that night.

Why isn't he a #1? I'd actually like a sincere answer besides "I don't like him."

He plays the hardest minutes of anybody in the league and finished 11th in Norris voting. He was top 10 in a number of important statistical categories.

Carlyle believes he's a number 1 and that seems to have been validated by the fact that he was the TOI leader (by a mile) on the 5th best team in the conference.

It seems that the onus is on his detractors to prove that he's not a #1, seeing as he has justified that standing with his play.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Fine... He's a #1 for (frank)s sake! Just not a good #1

There are two types of people here. One who see only positives in Phaneuf, and those that see only negatives. The guy has all the physical attributes, but does show a pretty lousy hockey IQ sometimes with bad pinches and poor defensive zone coverage. Bottom line is is he worth what he gets paid? Right now I would suggest he is overpaid by a certain amount. And the minutes played argument has more to do with a lack of depth than Dion being great. I like the guy resigned at 5 maybe even 6, so long as it makes room for someone thats better in terms of positioning and foot speed (in the down low areas). My argument for trading him only stems form the fact that he won't take less money, just don't see it happening, and if he plays as much as he does each night, I don't see a championship with that scenario.