I had to edit it, if you notice, theres no Hagelin in that top 9. Are you trying to say youre ok with not having Hagelin?
- aecliptic

Id rather have hags over clutterbuck.

Hagelin is the wild card of that unit. First off, will he adjust to playing RW... secondly, will his speed make up for what we lack in size and physicality. At the very least, he needs to become for us what Marchant has become for the Bruins.
- aecliptic

I doubt they'll ever be the same. Marchand has grit and the ability to be a pest. Hagelin doesn't.

Hagelin is the wild card of that unit. First off, will he adjust to playing RW... secondly, will his speed make up for what we lack in size and physicality. At the very least, he needs to become for us what Marchant has become for the Bruins.
- aecliptic

I think we are getting to fixated on size around these parts. What I care about is that the Rangers are a difficult team to play against. Hagelin is a player that is exceptionally hard to play against, because his speed causes havoc. And, I also think that he is more physical than given credit for. Don't get me wrong, everybody is available in the right deal, but I think because of the recent size fixation around here, Hagelin is seriously underestimated.

This is not directed towards you. Just in general.

I doubt they'll ever be the same. Marchand has grit and the ability to be a pest. Hagelin doesn't.
- tomburton99

Hagelin should learn how to be a pest.

This is not directed towards you. Just in general.
- Pete V

Thing is his speed is just one thing. Its nice, but hes a bit of a one trick pony. Doesnt have an impressive shot, his passing isnt the best, not clutch nor a pest to draw penalties (although his speed does draw a few). He needs to get better in other aspects.

And yes, I realize he's only played in 1.5 years and hes still young. I like him, just want him to improve his all around game. I think with AV this will be possible.

Hagelin should learn how to be a pest.
- aecliptic

You don't learn that. You either have that or you don't. Guys like Marchand, Clutterbuck, Dorsett, Clarkson, Glencross, Kaleta, Cooke just have that. Hagelin is tough to play against but he's not an bumhole. That's the difference. All those guys are a little crazy. Hags isn't

I think we are getting to fixated on size around these parts. What I care about is that the Rangers are a difficult team to play against. Hagelin is a player that is exceptionally hard to play against, because his speed causes havoc. And, I also think that he is more physical than given credit for. Don't get me wrong, everybody is available in the right deal, but I think because of the recent size fixation around here, Hagelin is seriously underestimated.

This is not directed towards you. Just in general.
- Pete V

I don't necessarily think it's size, as much as it is strength and toughness, in order to withstand the rigors of a full NHL season.

You don't learn that. You either have that or you don't. Guys like Marchand, Clutterbuck, Dorsett, Clarkson, Glencross, Kaleta, Cooke just have that. Hagelin is tough to play against but he's not an bumhole. That's the difference. All those guys are a little crazy. Hags isn't
- tomburton99

I know I was being sarcastic..... sort of.

I think we are getting to fixated on size around these parts. What I care about is that the Rangers are a difficult team to play against. Hagelin is a player that is exceptionally hard to play against, because his speed causes havoc. And, I also think that he is more physical than given credit for. Don't get me wrong, everybody is available in the right deal, but I think because of the recent size fixation around here, Hagelin is seriously underestimated.

This is not directed towards you. Just in general.
- Pete V

I agree. Not many players have Hagelin's ability. In this version of the NHL speed is you biggest asset.

Thing is his speed is just one thing. Its nice, but hes a bit of a one trick pony. Doesnt have an impressive shot, his passing isnt the best, not clutch nor a pest to draw penalties (although his speed does draw a few). He needs to get better in other aspects.
- aecliptic

He is the fastest player in the league. If he was also a great passer with a wicked shot, the Rangers wouldn't be paying him a projected $2 million, they would be paying him double that, if not more. I get he has limitations, but for his price tag, I really like what he brings. He is often the most noticeable player on the ice for the Rangers, and can bring energy when the team is dead. Plus, he is a great kid, with a great work ethic.

Quick story when he came to Michigan, the hockey team has races of the steps at Michigan football Stadium. He is such great shape, that he was 60-0 (or something like that) in his four years at Michigan in those races.

I don't necessarily think it's size, as much as it is strength and toughness, in order to withstand the rigors of a full NHL season.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

The hawks speed, skill, and talent beat the bruins big, physical, tough style.

That's all I'm gonna say about that.

The hawks speed, skill, and talent beat the bruins big, physical, tough style.

That's all I'm gonna say about that.
- rangerdanger94

I think you need to look at those games again. Hawks gave as good as they got, just ask Patrice Bergeron and Jagr. Once again, I'm not talking about running people through the boards, it's more a feeling that the team will give as good as it gets, and a team that is hard to play against.

I think you need to look at those games again. Hawks gave as good as they got, just ask Patrice Bergeron and Jagr. Once again, I'm not talking about running people through the boards, it's more a feeling that the team will give as good as it gets, and a team that is hard to play against.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

The difference for the Hawks was the Shaw, Bolland, Saad line... those guys go out and work.

I think you need to look at those games again. Hawks gave as good as they got, just ask Patrice Bergeron and Jagr. Once again, I'm not about running people through the boards, it's more a feeling that the team will give as good as I gets, just the Hawks did.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

I understand that the hawks played as physically as they could to counter the bruins but that included guys perceived as soft or small like kane, toews, etc. hitting.

We have guys like cally and hags and boyle and maybe clowe and kreider and miller and dorsett that already play physical and hit everything that moves.

Basically, if it was up to me, id pick a potential 30 goal scorer like skinner over bryan bickell or clutterbuck any day of the week.

The difference for the Hawks was the Shaw, Bolland, Saad line... those guys go out and work.
- aecliptic

I think a dorsett - hendricks - boyle line or a clowe - miller - hagelin line would work just as hard as those guys.

We forget we have the hardest working player in the nhl as our captain and that everyone follows his lead.

I understand that the hawks played as physically as they could to counter the bruins but that included guys perceived as soft or small like kane, toews, etc. hitting.

We have guys like cally and hags and boyle and maybe clowe and kreider and miller and dorsett that already play physical and hit everything that moves.

Basically, if it was up to me, id pick a potential 30 goal scorer like skinner over bryan bickell or clutterbuck any day of the week.
- rangerdanger94

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd like to see them do both.

The difference for the Hawks was the Shaw, Bolland, Saad line... those guys go out and work.
- aecliptic

And Hagelin doesn't? Just because he isn't the 2nd coming of Tie Domi or Esa Tikkanen doesn't mean he should be given a chance.

Id rather have hags over clutterbuck.
- rangerdanger94

2nd and 3rd that

Even if they make the Skinner trade, I still think they need to make another trade to bring in a player with size.

MZA, Stepan, Nash
Kreider, Skinner, Callahan
Clowe, Brassard, Hagelin
Boyle, Hendricks, Dorsett

Is this what were looking at? The team is so small.

I wish they would trade the rights to MZA + a pick for the rights to Clutterbuck... hes not big but he puts a hurting on people.

Hagelin, Stepan, Nash
Kreider, Skinner, Callahan
Clowe, Brassard, Clutterbuck
Boyle, Hendricks, Dorsett
- aecliptic

Gonna be a big Problom in the playoffs

And Hagelin doesn't? Just because he isn't the 2nd coming of Tie Domi or Esa Tikkanen doesn't mean he should be given a chance.
- tomburton99

Never said he doesnt... I was only referring to the Stanley Cup final and that line was a difference maker for the Hawks vs. the physical Bruins. That statement was not comparing Hawks players to Rangers players.

the team for next year just needs one big top sic nhl player like wheeler/JVR(childhood fan)/nishuskin of those players i like wheeler the most because we wouldn't have to give up core players offcourse if carolina is ok with DZ
Zucc and fast for the #5 pick i would do it the roster would than be:
Nash-brassard-Cally
Kreider-stepan-wheeler/JVR/nishuskin
clowe-miller-hagelin
Jean/hendricks-boyle-dorsett

Mcd-girardi
moore-staal
mcilrath-stralman

hank
biron

we need to move one defense for sure because mcilrath needs to get a shot, and he'll make us immediately more aggresive
and i would not play nash stepan and kreider on one line because the other lines will not have enough scoring i think so try and play stepan and kreider together and make them a lethal duo for the following 10 years

the team for next year just needs one big top sic nhl player like wheeler/JVR(childhood fan)/nishuskin of those players i like wheeler the most because we wouldn't have to give up core players offcourse if carolina is ok with DZ
Zucc and fast for the #5 pick i would do it the roster would than be:
Nash-brassard-Cally
Kreider-stepan-wheeler/JVR/nishuskin
clowe-miller-hagelin
Jean/hendricks-boyle-dorsett

Mcd-girardi
moore-staal
mcilrath-stralman

hank
biron

we need to move one defense for sure because mcilrath needs to get a shot, and he'll make us immediately more aggresive
and i would not play nash stepan and kreider on one line because the other lines will not have enough scoring i think so try and play stepan and kreider together and make them a lethal duo for the following 10 years
- webleedblue

I think youll see Sather kick the tires on Ference for our defense.

the team for next year just needs one big top sic nhl player like wheeler/JVR(childhood fan)/nishuskin of those players i like wheeler the most because we wouldn't have to give up core players offcourse if carolina is ok with DZ
Zucc and fast for the #5 pick i would do it the roster would than be:
Nash-brassard-Cally
Kreider-stepan-wheeler/JVR/nishuskin
clowe-miller-hagelin
Jean/hendricks-boyle-dorsett

Mcd-girardi
moore-staal
mcilrath-stralman

hank
biron

we need to move one defense for sure because mcilrath needs to get a shot, and he'll make us immediately more aggresive
and i would not play nash stepan and kreider on one line because the other lines will not have enough scoring i think so try and play stepan and kreider together and make them a lethal duo for the following 10 years
- webleedblue

Leafs have JVR under contract long term, he's not leaving Toronto.

I think youll see Sather kick the tires on Ference for our defense.
- aecliptic

Both Calgary people and Boston people have said "losing him was a really tough decision. He's a great teammate and hated to see him go." He isn't a bad player either. He should be a target but like all these guys, probably will get to expensive