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devfan30
New Jersey Devils
Location: totowa, NJ
Joined: 12.18.2007

Jun 28 @ 3:30 PM ET
I would put Gedig and Helgeson above Burlon, who seems like he's a bust.
- rmdevil313

how can you call burlon a bust. he is only 23 and defenseman develop slower than forwards, another 3 or 4 years and he will be a top pair defenseman.
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 3:33 PM ET
Shinkaruk, Boucher, Matteau would make 3 solid players in the top 9. Then we have young guys Loktionov, Josefsson, Henrique, and hopefully Tedenby. In the future, that's 7 out of 9 top 9 forwards. Add Zajac and Kovalchuk, and you have a team for the next 8 years, theoretically. Hope these kids develop nicely.

Defense is a similar situation. Larsson, Merrill, Gelinas, Urbom, .. Severson and Scarlett.. even Burlon, is a nice handful of young guys to work with.. you never know how many will turn into legit top 4 Dmen. This year is going to be big for these prospects. I assume most will be in Albany. They're not 18 or 19 anymore.. should be coming along nicely.

the future looks bright. And that's just within our system. Sign or trade here and there and you have a well rounded team for the next decade!

- MartysBetter88


Does look potentially good, of course the sad truth of the matter is not everyone will live up to expectations, but it's like that for every team's young guys. To me this upcoming year is Teddy's last chance, and Josefsson isn't to far behind, though I personally thought he was playing well this year when he was in (I know he had a terrible +/- but I still think he looked solid).

I have a decent amount of faith Henrique will have a bounce back year this year, if Loktionov keeps playing with Kovy I expect good things, though he's definitely not a proven number 1 center yet. Maybe he will be by the end of next season? We can hope...

It seems that if Boucher meets just half the potential he's shown while playing in the OHL once he gets to the NHL level, he'll be a solid top 6 forward. If his offensive game flourishes in the NHL even close to as it has in the juniors...

Honestly haven't seen enough of Matteau to have a legitimate opinion on him, it'd certainly be nice if he panned out so we don't look silly for not forfeiting that pick.

Larsson keeps improving despite all of his haters who want to trade him for a 7th rounder. Haven't really seen enough of the other D to have a great feeling how they'll do in NJ, though most scouts seem high on Merril, Gelinas, and Severson amongst others.

Those guys plus Kovy who's signed until the end of time, and Zajac who I think actually had a decent year this past season despite poor stats (honestly, who didn't have terrible stats on NJ this year?), plus hopefully Elias who if resigns I could see playing for at least a few more years, maybe Clarkson, etc, and of course CBGB, we'll be in good shape despite this "rebuild" everyone says we're in.

Oh and hopefully a goalie will appear.

Sorry for the long post, I'm very bored...
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 3:34 PM ET
how can you call burlon a bust. he is only 23 and defenseman develop slower than forwards, another 3 or 4 years and he will be a top pair defenseman.
- devfan30


Thanks for proving you are a bigger idiot than I previously thought.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 3:46 PM ET


Sorry for the long post, I'm very bored...

- MannySilvers


I don't think I've ever seen someone respond to a MB88 post with a longer post before. Our second round pick should be a good prospect this year as well. Hypothetical scenario, but if Fucale drops out of the 1st round, do we move up to say 32 to get him? Its a longshot that he even does drop that far, but he certainly won't make it past the top of the draft order again.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:01 PM ET
how can you call burlon a bust. he is only 23 and defenseman develop slower than forwards, another 3 or 4 years and he will be a top pair defenseman.
- devfan30



unless they are swedish and are younger than 21 then they are busts no matter what
devfan30
New Jersey Devils
Location: totowa, NJ
Joined: 12.18.2007

Jun 28 @ 4:03 PM ET
Thanks for proving you are a bigger idiot than I previously thought.
- rmdevil313

stings like a female dog doesn't it. its that wonderful drug called sarcasm. isn't this the same crap you keep telling me about Larsson? he's only 20 years old, defenseman develop slower, top pair defenseman in a few years?
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 4:08 PM ET
stings like a female dog doesn't it. its that wonderful drug called sarcasm. isn't this the same crap you keep telling me about Larsson? he's only 20 years old, defenseman develop slower, top pair defenseman in a few years?
- devfan30


Difference:

Burlon hasn't been playing in the NHL, he hasn't been clearly improving his game, plus the difference between a 20 year old NHLer and a 23 year old one (in the minors no less) is a big difference.

Larsson was most definitely our 2nd best defenseman this past year despite being scratched half the time.

rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 4:11 PM ET
stings like a female dog doesn't it. its that wonderful drug called sarcasm. isn't this the same crap you keep telling me about Larsson? he's only 20 years old, defenseman develop slower, top pair defenseman in a few years?
- devfan30


I didn't miss the sarcasm. Its that a 23 year old defensman that struggles to crack an AHL lineup is not similar to steady 20 year old defensman in the NHL.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 28 @ 4:14 PM ET
stings like a female dog doesn't it. its that wonderful drug called sarcasm. isn't this the same crap you keep telling me about Larsson? he's only 20 years old, defenseman develop slower, top pair defenseman in a few years?
- devfan30

stfu already
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 28 @ 4:25 PM ET
I don't think I've ever seen someone respond to a MB88 post with a longer post before. Our second round pick should be a good prospect this year as well. Hypothetical scenario, but if Fucale drops out of the 1st round, do we move up to say 32 to get him? Its a longshot that he even does drop that far, but he certainly won't make it past the top of the draft order again.
- rmdevil313


Tristan Jarry will be available by the Devils' pick. From interviews around the Oil Kings following the post-season, the consensus is that the younger side of the roster legitimately beleives Jarry will push the team further than where they are now. Pretty insane stats for a backup this year. 27 games is tough to stay consistent but he still had a decent amount of starts.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 4:31 PM ET
Tristan Jarry will be available by the Devils' pick. From interviews around the Oil Kings following the post-season, the consensus is that the younger side of the roster legitimately beleives Jarry will push the team further than where they are now. Pretty insane stats for a backup this year. 27 games is tough to stay consistent but he still had a decent amount of starts.
- fry


Yeah, I was looking at other goaltending options and saw him. I don't know if you watched him at all but do you think if he got more starts he would be ranked higher?
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:35 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...attorney-andrew-barraway/

Could be bullpoop, seeing as how the last 12 reports have been. TG has a hand in the report as well and he's pretty darn credible. This Barroway guy tried putting a stake in the 76ers before too.
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:36 PM ET
Yeah, I was looking at other goaltending options and saw him. I don't know if you watched him at all but do you think if he got more starts he would be ranked higher?
- rmdevil313


I think so, I like him.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:37 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/report-devils-may-be-sold-to-attorney-andrew-barraway/

Could be bullpoop, seeing as how the last 12 reports have been. TG has a hand in the report as well and he's pretty darn credible. This Barroway guy tried putting a stake in the 76ers before too.

- FloridianDevil


http://blogs.northjersey....trolling_stake_of_devils/

seems legit IMO
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:41 PM ET
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/south_jersey_attorney_leads_group_in_negotiations_to_purchase_controlling_stake_of_devils/

seems legit IMO

- dmarsden2988


On Fire and Ice too huh? Well, then. I'm not sure how I feel about an attorney owning a hockey team, but JvB was just a big bank guy as well, but at least he was a Devils fanboy before owning us. Whatever it takes to shut everyone up about our "financial issues".
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 4:42 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/28/report-devils-may-be-sold-to-attorney-andrew-barraway/

Could be bullpoop, seeing as how the last 12 reports have been. TG has a hand in the report as well and he's pretty darn credible. This Barroway guy tried putting a stake in the 76ers before too.

- FloridianDevil


TG did write something about it. Weird that JvB is selling a majority share, but it seems like this guy has deep pockets. Hopefully will be a good move. JvB still cares about the team but there is finally the financial stability.

Edit: What the hell happened to the page?
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:48 PM ET
TG did write something about it. Weird that JvB is selling a majority share, but it seems like this guy has deep pockets. Hopefully will be a good move. JvB still cares about the team but there is finally the financial stability.

Edit: What the hell happened to the page?

- rmdevil313


The one I linked opened up again for me, could've just been a glitch?

But yeah, he seems to be pretty loaded, and seemingly dedicated to owning a sports franchise. Not sure what kept him from getting into the Sixers ownership, but if he comes in here I'll be happy. Good that he's letting JvB keep a minority share, must be depressing for JvB.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
The one I linked opened up again for me, could've just been a glitch?

But yeah, he seems to be pretty loaded, and seemingly dedicated to owning a sports franchise. Not sure what kept him from getting into the Sixers ownership, but if he comes in here I'll be happy. Good that he's letting JvB keep a minority share, must be depressing for JvB.

- FloridianDevil


I think all the links get expanded when quoted.

JvB needed some stability and a minority share doesn't necessarily mean it has to be small, just under 50%. Brick city had a 47% share so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar cut. He just doesn't get the final say or anything like that, and I think that one of the reasons that brick city finally sold was different opinions on the direction of the franchise. I think JvB will bring in someone with a similar vision for the franchise.
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 5:02 PM ET
I think all the links get expanded when quoted.

JvB needed some stability and a minority share doesn't necessarily mean it has to be small, just under 50%. Brick city had a 47% share so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar cut. He just doesn't get the final say or anything like that, and I think that one of the reasons that brick city finally sold was different opinions on the direction of the franchise. I think JvB will bring in someone with a similar vision for the franchise.

- rmdevil313


I hope so. Logo is inked on me forever, if we were to ever move...

All kidding aside, I've looked into the guy more. He's serious. Wants to make a name for himself. So I'm sure he will come in with a mindset JvB was welcome to.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 28 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yeah, I was looking at other goaltending options and saw him. I don't know if you watched him at all but do you think if he got more starts he would be ranked higher?
- rmdevil313


Hockey teams get like that sometimes. +350 ice times a year and the team will usually know whos the better goalie. Usually you don't hear a team tip their cap so handedly towards a backup.

Brassoit is no slouch either. If the team thinks he's better than him then it sounds like a decent 2nd rounder. He's established a very clear ranking at No. 2 among most rankings. Impressive for 27 games.

[EDIT]: To answer that question though; I think there would be more debate between 1 and 2 rankings for goalies if Jarry played the season but Fucale lost 5 games in reg last season.. Jesus..
Zebra_Poacher
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 02.01.2010

Jun 28 @ 5:30 PM ET
If we do trade down but not drastically, what about Bo Horvat?
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 28 @ 5:31 PM ET
If we do trade down but not drastically, what about Bo Horvat?
- Zebra_Poacher

rychel
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 5:36 PM ET
rychel
- shvingter88


Yes.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 28 @ 5:47 PM ET
Yes.
- FloridianDevil

he's the only one i want if we trade down
FloridianDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Joined: 12.12.2011

Jun 28 @ 5:55 PM ET
he's the only one i want if we trade down
- shvingter88


Agreed completely. Just love those reports, Lou says if the offer's right he would be willing to move up or down...uhm, no kidding?
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