No, moving Kesler/Bieksa is not a rebuild, its just taking out the trash. Those two players are much more poisonous than any "Euro-Trash" currently on the roster.
- 1970vintage

At least Bieksa can keep the puck in the zone on the PP. I think Edler could too...almost half the time and the best part was he'd fumblefu** the puck back up the ice in most instances and kill 20-25 seconds as the PP QB. Funny thing is people wondered why our PP sucked. Bieksa doesn't play sheltered minutes. Edler if he stays will get exposed under Torts. As for Kes, when he plays with heart I love him, but I get disguisted with his sideshow so I'm meh when it comes to him...take him or leave him.

A Vinny/Torts reunion would be the best thing ever...

Told that blogger this would happen.

I think this actually highlights how Schneider's value has risen in the past 2 years.
- KB3Point0

Of course it has, he is one of the finest young goalies in the league. You could get a real nice return for him, way better than what the Leafs gave up for Bernier.

How about Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, LA....when was the last time Detroit was relevant? 4,5, 6 years ago?. I can't believe people still reach for that.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Less than a month ago when they took Chicago to overtime of game 7 of the WCSF? And FYI, roughly 1/3 of the Chicago Cup winning roster is from Europe.

A Vinny/Torts reunion would be the best thing ever...

Told that blogger this would happen.
- DrChristianTroy

I bet Gillis offers Vinny a two year $20m contract

Just stating facts, that's all. You stated that euro teams haven't won anything since the 90's. It's not true. It was only 5 years ago - it's not like it was over a decade. Detroit has had the most consistent team in the past 15 years. I'd say that is quite relevant. Chicago won with skill - very similar to recent Detroit teams.
- Canuckleafer

I said really haven't...meaning few times. How much have Vancouver won, how much has Washington? I don't think Chicago won with skill(don't get me wrong they have it) but look at the leadership with Toews. Watch Chicago play...heart and determination won them the cup. They willed the wins. They didn't lie down and die. They never quit.

Did someone say Luongo

Less than a month ago when they took Chicago to overtime of game 7 of the WCSF? And FYI, roughly 1/3 of the Chicago Cup winning roster is from Europe.
- 1970vintage

Yeah but you got Hossa, Handzus and Stalberg there...guys that PK and block shots.

Yeah but you got Hossa, Handzus and Stalberg there...guys that PK and block shots.
- I-own_da-Northwest

What's your point? You stated that teams with European players were not relevant and couldn't compete, and yet, here they are, leading the playoffs in scoring, and contributing to a cup victory. Being European has nothing to do with it.

they have to trade letang. he wants 7-8 years and $49-56M along with a full no movement clause. Shero offered $6+M/yr for 6 years and a limited no movement. Rumor has it that agent told Shero that the # must start with a 7. with the $ with sid and geno, $7 annually and 7 years doesnt fit. especially with doumolin, maata, samuelson, harrington, despres close.

i think his #1 choice would be montreal: played for MT and just started building a house there but they cant afford him, price and Subban (i dont think).

Not trying to be a troll but can someone name me some teams that would be interested in Luongo and his contract?

Flyers was an obvious choice after Bryz was bought out but even Holmgren came out and said they have no interest as things stand right now.

they have to trade letang. he wants 7-8 years and $49-56M along with a full no movement clause. Shero offered $6+M/yr for 6 years and a limited no movement. Rumor has it that agent told Shero that the # must start with a 7. with the $ with sid and geno, $7 annually and 7 years doesnt fit. especially with doumolin, maata, samuelson, harrington, despres close.

i think his #1 choice would be montreal: played for MT and just started building a house there but they cant afford him, price and Subban (i dont think).
- i'mjustafan

He probably wants to play for a team that physically stands up for their players so that leaves Montreal out as a destination.

What's your point? You stated that teams with European players were not relevant and couldn't compete, and yet, here they are, leading the playoffs in scoring, and contributing to a cup victory. Being European has nothing to do with it.
- 1970vintage

I'm just saying we won't win with the Sedins and Edler...but if they ever had a shot at it I guess Torts or Babcock would be the coaches that make them capable.

I said really haven't...meaning few times. How much have Vancouver won, how much has Washington? I don't think Chicago won with skill(don't get me wrong they have it) but look at the leadership with Toews. Watch Chicago play...heart and determination won them the cup. They willed the wins. They didn't lie down and die. They never quit.
- I-own_da-Northwest

No, they won with skill. They absolutely had heart and determination too, but it was their skill and speed that won it for them.

Here's a few euros for you: Frolik, Handzus, Hossa, Hjalmarsson, Oduya, Roszival. Or do you prefer Bruins and Chara, Kreijci, Seidenberg, Rask?

Get over the Euro thing.

Whether you like it or not, is trading Schneider (+) for a significant return/retool a more realistic option for Van at this point?

How much is/could Aquilini be stepping in here? Is Aquilini willing to dump $27M just to keep CS?

People will use the Bryzzy buy-out as an example, but the situations aren't even close given Philly and Van's respective tending situations as the Canucks have a solid option with a second quality goalie.

If Vancouver is in "win mode" now and with their window closing, wouldn't moving Schneider make more sense at this point?

Not trying to be a troll but can someone name me some teams that would be interested in Luongo and his contract?

Flyers was an obvious choice after Bryz was bought out but even Holmgren came out and said they have no interest as things stand right now.
- Sheppy99

No team will admit to being willing to take his contract, the same way Gillis won't admit that he would buy him out if need be.

Whether you like it or not, is trading Schneider (+) for a significant return/retool a more realistic option for Van at this point?

How much is/could Aquilini be stepping in here? Is Aquilini willing to dump $27M just to keep CS?

People will use the Bryzzy buy-out as an example, but the situations aren't even close given Philly and Van's respective tending situations as the Canucks have a solid option with a second quality goalie.

If Vancouver is in "win mode" now and with their window closing, wouldn't moving Schneider make more sense at this point?
- As_I_See_It

Depends what they can get for him. It would have to be a lot to go back and tell Luongo he's the guy again.

My brain is exploding with all the options we'd have if Gillis made a successful pitch to Vinny...

If it's true that he'd want to return to TB after a 1yr deal somewhere, what's a better landing spot than the opposite corner of North America, different conference, veteran team, former coach he won a cup with, Kes as his winger...

Whether you like it or not, is trading Schneider (+) for a significant return/retool a more realistic option for Van at this point?

How much is/could Aquilini be stepping in here? Is Aquilini willing to dump $27M just to keep CS?

People will use the Bryzzy buy-out as an example, but the situations aren't even close given Philly and Van's respective tending situations as the Canucks have a solid option with a second quality goalie.

If Vancouver is in "win mode" now and with their window closing, wouldn't moving Schneider make more sense at this point?
- As_I_See_It

Win now = keeping Schneider. Mark my words... Luongo will never win a Cup or a Vezina. Schneider will win both.

Win now = keeping Schneider. Mark my words... Luongo will never win a Cup or a Vezina. Schneider will win both.
- DrChristianTroy

Didn't look like a vezina goalie to me against the sharks..

Win now = keeping Schneider. Mark my words... Luongo will never win a Cup or a Vezina. Schneider will win both.
- DrChristianTroy

What has schnieder done in the playoffs that is better then Lu tho ?

Didn't look like a vezina goalie to me against the sharks..
- Sheppy99

He was injured.

If Van ends up buying out Luongo it would probably be the low point for this team in long time. the fans of this team deserve better. The Fans of this team are some of the best on the NHL, they support them even while they gouge us with ticket and metchedice prices. Canuck fans will always be there for this team, its time the team shows the people who make this team sucessfull and put themin a position to spend to the cap a little more respect. In the end if Luongo is bought out and it looks like he will be the entire management team should be ashamed of themselves for screwing with not only Luongo but a fan base that has supported this team. I truly hope I can eat these words come next week.

He was injured.
- DrChristianTroy

Nice excuse. Someone should of mentioned that to AV then.

Win now = keeping Schneider. Mark my words... Luongo will never win a Cup or a Vezina. Schneider will win both.
- DrChristianTroy

I might not agree with you on the level of risk involved in Luongo's recapture, but I completely agree with you on this. Way better to keep Schneider and move Luongo, even if it's through a buyout.

Luongo probably has 4 - 5 very good years ahead of him. Schneider probably has 7 - 10 great years ahead of him.