I don't hate Gillis, I think he's done a pretty good job, but this started when you said that he had not mis handled the Luongo situation and you are clearly wrong. Cowboy up.

And no, Gillis will not get a bigger payday for Schneider now because of how badly he handled Luongo. He has some serious work to do to get under the cap and ice a competitive team. I don't think trading Schneider is an option now, that bridge is burnt with Lu already.
- 1970vintage

I would rather have Schneider and buyout Luongo than keep Luongo and get a poor return for Schneider (which is what they likely would have got 2 years ago).

Why would Schneider's value drop right now because of how the Luongo situation has been handled? It drops on July 5th if they still have them both, but until then Schneider's value is as high as it's been. I agree that the Luongo bridge has likely been burnt, but if they trade Schneider then Luongo will have no choice but to come to camp happy with a new coach who didn't bench him in the past 3 playoffs.

Yes, but trading Bieksa could actually bring something of value in return, and if given the chance I think that Ballard could actually contribute. I think Ballard is the type of guy that Tortarella would really like, plays hard, does what is asked of him, will even drop the mitts with players much larger than him.
- 1970vintage

Tortorella probably would really like the type of player Ballard is, but he will love the type of player Bieksa is.

Old news maybe, but Shattenkirk signed to 4 year $4.25m per deal, that's a bargain.

lol that's not my main reason. when healthy, i think he's every bit as good as toews or bergeron, and he proved that in 2011. he's a bargain that we can't just give away.
- lkeh73

I think kesler is a good player when he sets his mind to it and is healthy but you can't put him in the same place as Bergeron and toews ... He hasn't done enough yet to warrant that

Tortorella probably would really like the type of player Ballard is, but he will love the type of player Bieksa is.
- KB3Point0

I disagree, I think Bieksa is lazy in his own end and picks his spots with lightweights. I also don't like him shooting off his mouth in the media, and calling out players on other teams for diving when his own teammates are much worse. Maybe his teammates love him, I don't really care for his play.

Gillis said he wanted to "reset" the team, I can't think of a better way of resetting than to part ways with Luongo, Kesler and Bieksa. That to me is a huge change for the better, especially if there are picks coming back that land the Canucks a franchise player of the future.

I think kesler is a good player when he sets his mind to it and is healthy but you can't put him in the same place as Bergeron and toews ... He hasn't done enough yet to warrant that
- Redmile247

Agreed. Kesler had a monster year - Toews and Bergeron are consistently great.

I would rather have Schneider and buyout Luongo than keep Luongo and get a poor return for Schneider (which is what they likely would have got 2 years ago).

Why would Schneider's value drop right now because of how the Luongo situation has been handled? It drops on July 5th if they still have them both, but until then Schneider's value is as high as it's been. I agree that the Luongo bridge has likely been burnt, but if they trade Schneider then Luongo will have no choice but to come to camp happy with a new coach who didn't bench him in the past 3 playoffs.
- KB3Point0

Cant remember the source and wont even attempt to look for it but I remember 2 years ago at the deadline when Rick nash was available. Rumors had him wanting to play for Van and the alleged offer that CLB wanted was CS Edler and a 1st. We win the cup if that deal is done.

Gillis has not done a great job. He also has not done a terrible job. He has just been right in the middle. He has made some good moves. Also made some brutal moves. He will have this year to do something. My guess is that we flame out in the 1st or 2nd round again and he gets canned.

Cant remember the source and wont even attempt to look for it but I remember 2 years ago at the deadline when Rick nash was available. Rumors had him wanting to play for Van and the alleged offer that CLB wanted was CS Edler and a 1st. We win the cup if that deal is done.
- Bluechip23

Are you talking the 2011 trade deadline? The one where Edler was injured after undergoing back surgery?

Are you talking the 2011 trade deadline? The one where Edler was injured after undergoing back surgery?
- KB3Point0

Just cause he is injured doesnt mean he cant be traded. Look at all the david booth trade rumors on this site some by you I might add. Maybe it wasnt elder but I remember the Nash rumors and the main part of the deal was CS and a 1st. Look at the package they got from NYR for him. Vancouver easily had the assets to get him.

Just cause he is injured doesnt mean he cant be traded. Look at all the david booth trade rumors on this site some by you I might add. Maybe it wasnt elder but I remember the Nash rumors and the main part of the deal was CS and a 1st. Look at the package they got from NYR for him. Vancouver easily had the assets to get him.
- Bluechip23

Yeah, because that would have been too much to give up for Rick Nash and his $7.8M cap hit. And it would certainly be too much to give up today, given how Schneider's value has risen. Would you trade Schneider, Edler and Jensen for Nash today?

Booth trade rumours are ongoing because he'll be healthy soon, just unlikely he'll be healthy soon enough to buy him out. He's been posting pictures of himself killing animals for awhile now.

Ian Esplen: Luongo and Letang
Luongo and Letang
- IanEsplen

"But if Shero is stupid enough to be taking offers, I'll start the bidding at Edler, Schroeder and a first round pick for Letang. "

wow you would really do that trade???

i would personally hold back on overpaying for a D thats played his entire career running a PP behind 3 centers named Crosby, Malkin, Staal, that you probably have to pay 7 mil for many years afterwards

not to take anything away from Letang....but i'll be convinced he's worth Suter, or Webber money when i get to see him play for a team less stacked than the Pens....

still trying to get rid of a legitimate top 10 goalie in the league due to a bad contract, but lets trade a bunch and sign another player to a long difficult contract??......hhmm suspect

Just cause he is injured doesnt mean he cant be traded. Look at all the david booth trade rumors on this site some by you I might add. Maybe it wasnt elder but I remember the Nash rumors and the main part of the deal was CS and a 1st. Look at the package they got from NYR for him. Vancouver easily had the assets to get him.
- Bluechip23

I think this actually highlights how Schneider's value has risen in the past 2 years.

I disagree, I think Bieksa is lazy in his own end and picks his spots with lightweights. I also don't like him shooting off his mouth in the media, and calling out players on other teams for diving when his own teammates are much worse. Maybe his teammates love him, I don't really care for his play.

Gillis said he wanted to "reset" the team, I can't think of a better way of resetting than to part ways with Luongo, Kesler and Bieksa. That to me is a huge change for the better, especially if there are picks coming back that land the Canucks a franchise player of the future.
- 1970vintage

So by Reset you mean rebuild??? In all honesty half of this team is project players. Also if we ship out any core players it should be Sedins+Edler+either goalie. Euro-trash teams don't win cups anymore...haven't really since the late 90s...

Yeah, because that would have been too much to give up for Rick Nash and his $7.8M cap hit. And it would certainly be too much to give up today, given how Schneider's value has risen. Would you trade Schneider, Edler and Jensen for Nash today?

Booth trade rumours are ongoing because he'll be healthy soon, just unlikely he'll be healthy soon enough to buy him out. He's been posting pictures of himself killing animals for awhile now.
- KB3Point0

Totally agree. I think it was a good deal then but not a good deal now. I just think rick nash would have put us over the top vs the bruins. Thats all speculation though. CS should bring back a much bigger return now and rightfully so vs 3 yrs ago. But right now we are getting nothing back for LU.

I would rather have (return for Schnieder) + Lu vs Schnieder + nothing for lu

So by Reset you mean rebuild??? In all honesty half of this team is project players. Also if we ship out any core players it should be Sedins+Edler+either goalie. Euro-trash teams don't win cups anymore...haven't really since the late 90s...
- I-own_da-Northwest

No, moving Kesler/Bieksa is not a rebuild, its just taking out the trash. Those two players are much more poisonous than any "Euro-Trash" currently on the roster.

Remember Gillis (i think) also offered CS for Brule 5 years ago. So obviously his value has gone up.

Euro-trash teams don't win cups anymore...haven't really since the late 90s...
- I-own_da-Northwest

Don Cherry, is that you?

What about Detroit? They did pretty well in the playoffs this year - didn't they win a cup a few years ago as well?

Totally agree. I think it was a good deal then but not a good deal now. I just think rick nash would have put us over the top vs the bruins. Thats all speculation though. CS should bring back a much bigger return now and rightfully so vs 3 yrs ago. But right now we are getting nothing back for LU.

I would rather have (return for Schnieder) + Lu vs Schnieder + nothing for lu
- Bluechip23

Look, I like Schneider, I think he's the better goalie, but he hasn't proved anything more than he had three years ago, but now he earns $4m instead of $900k. The market was high for him in his final year, when they traded Hodgson at the deadline. Can you imagine what a package of Schneider and Hodgson could have gotten the Canucks at the deadline?

Trying to move Schneider now, when the entire hockey world knows that the two goalies can't coexist any longer and the Canucks have cap troubles is not an ideal situation for maximizing the return.

Totally agree. I think it was a good deal then but not a good deal now. I just think rick nash would have put us over the top vs the bruins. Thats all speculation though. CS should bring back a much bigger return now and rightfully so vs 3 yrs ago. But right now we are getting nothing back for LU.

I would rather have (return for Schnieder) + Lu vs Schnieder + nothing for lu
- Bluechip23

Too bad Gillis doesn't wanna admit he made a mistake. The media blew this thing up alot more than they should've.

Remember Gillis (i think) also offered CS for Brule 5 years ago. So obviously his value has gone up.
- Bluechip23

That was Nonis, but yeah, that was when Schnieder has yet to play a game in the NHL.

BTW I like the Sid Vicious avatar..
- Popcorn Kid

... Only it's Gary Oldman as Sid Vicious.

Don Cherry, is that you?

What about Detroit? They did pretty well in the playoffs this year - didn't they win a cup a few years ago as well?
- Canuckleafer

How about Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, LA....when was the last time Detroit was relevant? 4,5, 6 years ago?. I can't believe people still reach for that.

Hey Ian. well put review of Letang but, you obviously didnt watch the bulk of the Pens game. He is capabale of everything on the ice. Absolutely everything. Including momentum shifting giveaways. He can also loose his focus, often and easily. The Norris to me is just a popularity contest really. Subban and Letang over the likes of Weber (even on an "off" year by his standards), Chara, Keith, ... Letang has that little something that makes him looks great on the ice but he could be so much better if he would play a simple game and focus on making his team better.

Speaking about messed up, chalking Letang ahead of #87 & #71 in terms of complete players... Not too sure buddy.

If I was Shero and you were Gillis, we would have a deal my friend!

How about Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, LA....when was the last time Detroit was relevant? 4,5, 6 years ago?. I can't believe people still reach for that.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Just stating facts, that's all. You stated that euro teams haven't won anything since the 90's. It's not true. It was only 5 years ago - it's not like it was over a decade. Detroit has had the most consistent team in the past 15 years. I'd say that is quite relevant. Chicago won with skill - very similar to recent Detroit teams.