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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:27 PM ET
Reporters or bloggers?
- docmorgan

Reporters
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 27 @ 9:28 PM ET
If they were in the same contract situation I would trade Edler for Letang in a heartbeat. But not the current situation.
As I said earlier. I bet there are 50 d men in this league that could put up over 60 pts per yr with that team. Karlsson would get 90

- Bieksa#3


I don't think he's significantly better than Edler in any aspect of the game.

Plus, the guy looks like more of a greaseball than Lou...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:28 PM ET
Why not keep Lu and trade Schneider for a great prospect and a first round pick, that right there makes the organization stronger. Waiving Lu is such a waste, boy they really (frank)ed up with that long contract.
- LeftCoaster



I don't view Luongo as a great goalie anymore, and even his 5.3 million dollar cap hit won't look so great in a few years. Schneider's save percentage has been significantly higher playing on the same team and system. We've been spoiled with very good goaltending these past few years and IMO some Canucks fans are underestimating the importance of having a top 10, potentially top 5 goalie in Schneider who's still relatively young. Luongo is no longer a top 10 goalie for me.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:29 PM ET
Agreed.
Schneider for Coutourier and Read

- Bieksa#3

Schneider for Couturier and the Flyers 1st, it's already a done deal.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:29 PM ET
If they were in the same contract situation I would trade Edler for Letang in a heartbeat. But not the current situation.
As I said earlier. I bet there are 50 d men in this league that could put up over 60 pts per yr with that team. Karlsson would get 90

- Bieksa#3




I'm not sure about your second point, but I agree with your first one.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 27 @ 9:30 PM ET
NTC, not a NMC according to CapGeek.
- Nucker101

OK. Thought I heard that he had an NMC.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:30 PM ET
I don't think he's significantly better than Edler in any aspect of the game.

Plus, the guy looks like more of a greaseball than Lou...

- Fosco

He looks like the little french guy in "Goon"
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:31 PM ET
I don't view Luongo as a great goalie anymore, and even his 5.3 million dollar cap hit won't look so great in a few years. Schneider's save percentage has been significantly higher playing on the same team and system. We've been spoiled with very good goaltending these past few years and IMO some Canucks fans are underestimating the importance of having a top 10, potentially top 5 goalie in Schneider who's still relatively young. Luongo is no longer a top 10 goalie for me.
- Nucker101

Lu is a good goaltender, is he the best in the league, no but he's still top ten IMO. A better team in front of him would be very very capable of winning.

Trading Schneider, although a difficult decision, moves the team into a better position moving forward.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:32 PM ET
I don't think he's significantly better than Edler in any aspect of the game.

Plus, the guy looks like more of a greaseball than Lou...

- Fosco



I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there. I know that he plays with 2 of the best players in the world, but his PPG production is pretty ridiculous and he also plays in all situations and is pretty gritty and physical for his size. He's a top 10 or 15 d-man in the NHL, I don't view Edler as a top 15 d-man in the league yet.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:34 PM ET
Lu is a good goaltender, is he the best in the league, no but he's still top ten IMO. A better team in front of him would be very very capable of winning.

Trading Schneider, although a difficult decision, moves the team into a better position moving forward.

- LeftCoaster



His saver percentage is lower than many other goalies despite playing behind a good team, the guy simply isn't as athletic as he used to be and IMO he's no longer a top 10 goalie in the NHL, I strongly believe that Schneider is, and could even potentially be a top 5 goalie.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:36 PM ET
His saver percentage is lower than many other goalies despite playing behind a good team, the guy simply isn't as athletic as he used to be and IMO he's no longer a top 10 goalie in the NHL, I strongly believe that Schneider is, and could even potentially be a top 5 goalie.
- Nucker101

We'll have to agree to disagree, keeping Lu makes sense to me, trading Schneider makes sense to me, that's the way I'd run the business with Lack and this new Eriksson kid coming up. Asset management.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 27 @ 9:39 PM ET
Lu is a good goaltender, is he the best in the league, no but he's still top ten IMO. A better team in front of him would be very very capable of winning.

Trading Schneider, although a difficult decision, moves the team into a better position moving forward.

- LeftCoaster


It's only moving forward if things can be legitimately patched up with Lou and he wants to be part of the team.

I don't think they can—but then I'm a stubborn SOB who likes to hold grudges, so my personal feelings are affecting my opinion on the matter.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:41 PM ET
It's only moving forward if things can be legitimately patched up with Lou and he wants to be part of the team.

I don't think they can—but then I'm a stubborn SOB who likes to hold grudges, so my personal feelings are affecting my opinion on the matter.

- Fosco

I showed you a link awhile back that left the door open in his own words, IMO it's an option that's why I'm throwing that out there.

Lu can still be bought out in four years, money goes against the cap but at that point who cares. It will be minimal and we'll have the extra assets from keeping him.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 27 @ 9:45 PM ET
I showed you a link awhile back that left the door open in his own words, IMO it's an option that's why I'm throwing that out there.
- LeftCoaster


I don't remember the link, but I'll take your word that Lou might have indicated there's a small possibility.

I've seen far more indications from his interviews, tweets, mannerisms, and body language that the possibility is slim to none.

If he'll stay, and they can get a ransom for Schneids, I'm all for it.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:46 PM ET
It's only moving forward if things can be legitimately patched up with Lou and he wants to be part of the team.

I don't think they can—but then I'm a stubborn SOB who likes to hold grudges, so my personal feelings are affecting my opinion on the matter.

- Fosco

I believe Lu said I don't think there's a situation where Cory and I can be on this team together next yr.
2 yrs from now we will not Lack a young elite starting goalie
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:50 PM ET
We'll have to agree to disagree, keeping Lu makes sense to me, trading Schneider makes sense to me, that's the way I'd run the business with Lack and this new Eriksson kid coming up. Asset management.
- LeftCoaster



I'm a big asset management fan, but Luongo is likely to retire early and then the Canucks will be (frank)ed down the road when they get hit with the penalties for his contract, which prevents the team from spending to the cap, with puts the team at a disadvantage. Schneider is a rare asset, the kind that you just don't trade and you build around. Luongo meanwhile is a declining asset with a bigger cap hit and cause very likely cap penalties down the road. Not to mention that the extra 1.3 million that the team saves for this season and next season by keeping Schneider over Luongo will be significant.

To me it's a no-brainer to waive him and let him get claimed(it's not worth trading him to acquire a 3rd line center for those cap penalties down the road).

And yes, we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:52 PM ET
I believe Lu said I don't think there's a situation where Cory and I can be on this team together next yr.
2 yrs from now we will not Lack a young elite starting goalie

- Bieksa#3


That's way too big of assumption to make. He's 25 and has yet to play in NHL game, not to mention that last year was an important year for his development, as another stellar AHL season really would have given him the confidence and the team confidence that he's ready for the NHL next season.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:53 PM ET


Lets trade Burrows....

Seriously though, Bowman is out of his (frank)ing mind.

Would maybe give up one 2nd for Bolland. Maybe.

- Fosco


He played 8 minutes final game and most of the playoffs . Bob Mac said Shaw is doing mostly what he use to do
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 9:54 PM ET
I don't remember the link, but I'll take your word that Lou might have indicated there's a small possibility.

I've seen far more indications from his interviews, tweets, mannerisms, and body language that the possibility is slim to none.

If he'll stay, and they can get a ransom for Schneids, I'm all for it.

- Fosco

Although it may be remote, it's best case scenario for the club. This is what he said.

"I have made that statement before," Luongo said as he leaned against a wall outside the team dressing room. "I feel like I am in a stage of my life where I want to play. Whether that's here or somewhere else remains to be seen. But what has happened over the course of the last two years suggests that maybe it's not my place to be the starter here anymore. That being said, things change so, who knows."

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.c.../story.html#ixzz2XTJL9FbA
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:55 PM ET
Doesn't an NMC preclude waivers?
- docmorgan

Lu has NTC not NMC
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:56 PM ET
He played 8 minutes final game and most of the playoffs . Bob Mac said Shaw is doing mostly what he use to do
- VANTEL



Yup. IMO CHI fans knows that he's expendable now and other fans overvalue him because of his past playoff success, especially against the Sedins which everyone in Canada saw. He's a decent 3LC for sure, but there's no way in hell that I'd trade a first and and a second for him, let alone a first and two seconds.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:58 PM ET
Why not keep Lu and trade Schneider for a great prospect and a first round pick, that right there makes the organization stronger. Waiving Lu is such a waste, boy they really (frank)ed up with that long contract.
- LeftCoaster



Schneider and Lu staying ,reset complete . We got Eriksson .

(Sarcasm)
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 27 @ 10:00 PM ET
That's way too big of assumption to make. He's 25 and has yet to play in NHL game, not to mention that last year was an important year for his development, as another stellar AHL season really would have given him the confidence and the team confidence that he's ready for the NHL next season.
- Nucker101

We have 3 very good young goalies. One was called by most the best goalie outside the NHL.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:00 PM ET
I don't think he's significantly better than Edler in any aspect of the game.

Plus, the guy looks like more of a greaseball than Lou...

- Fosco

Yeah but at least the Canuck coach knows who Letang is , he has no clue who Edler is
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:04 PM ET
His saver percentage is lower than many other goalies despite playing behind a good team, the guy simply isn't as athletic as he used to be and IMO he's no longer a top 10 goalie in the NHL, I strongly believe that Schneider is, and could even potentially be a top 5 goalie.
- Nucker101



When did Lu play for the Bruins?
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