Unless it was a straight up swap for Letang and Phaneuf I don't see how Leafs would want him. He would cost to many good prospects that have higher potential then Letang. And pits can afford Phaneuf over Letang? I dont think so. I can see Letang signing in Toronto when hes a UFA but that would mean no new deal on the team he is traded to meaning less value Pits can give out of a trade.

what do you guys think of this trade

letang, sutter

for

phaneuf, kulemin

We know the pens are high on kule but I'm not sure if that really helps us at the center position. Sutter at best is a #2 guy. Still a solid centerman with tons of potential tho

I dont know much about him and I guess I could look it up... but playing on Pitts I would be worried about some inflated stats.. what % of his points are on the PP?

I dont know why.but I am not really interested
- senstroll

Letang put up 38 in 35 gp. 13 points on the PP, 1 goal.

what do you guys think of this trade

letang, sutter

for

phaneuf, kulemin

We know the pens are high on kule but I'm not sure if that really helps us at the center position. Sutter at best is a #2 guy. Still a solid centerman with tons of potential tho
- Sheppy99

Leafs would have to add the 1st and prospect.

I have watched quite a few Avs games and Statsny is as overpaid as they come, his PPG have plummeted from 3-4 years ago and with the addition of Duchene he gets to face 2nd and 3rd pairing defensemen more often. He's just not a difference maker, he's a decent 2C for most teams. He would be the 2nd center on my awful Sabres team behind Hodgson
- OneKaneOneCup

His contract isn't an issue as the Avs could retain up to 50% of it making him 3.3M$ player as well as this is his last year so it poses no problem for the team that deals for him.

Also Sacco's system was the worst possible fit for his style of play and is the primary reason for his decline in numbers. Funny enough Carlyle's system is probably the perfect fit for him. If he isn't traded at the draft, expect his numbers to go back up under Roy this year.

He was always played against the teams top lines.

He is best when you place him with a power forward and shooters like Stewart and funny enough he would probably be the perfect center for a player like Kessel.

That i can agree with you on...
- SameOld

The return will be something like that. Maybe the prospect they ask for is a little too much for your liking

I hope we re-sign Letang.....but if we trade him to Toronto, expect to pay at least $7-7.5M/year.

what do you guys think of this trade

letang, sutter

for

phaneuf, kulemin

We know the pens are high on kule but I'm not sure if that really helps us at the center position. Sutter at best is a #2 guy. Still a solid centerman with tons of potential tho
- Sheppy99

I dont see Pit trading away Sutter

that contract description sounds horrible... smooth sailing when Weber is 33
- senstroll

Was thinking the same thing - best deal in town from age 33 - 40.

Unless it was a straight up swap for Letang and Phaneuf I don't see how Leafs would want him. He would cost to many good prospects that have higher potential then Letang. And pits can afford Phaneuf over Letang? I dont think so. I can see Letang signing in Toronto when hes a UFA but that would mean no new deal on the team he is traded to meaning less value Pits can give out of a trade.
- jake24242

This. Pitt fans take a note

I didn't know he was #1, that is actually pretty impressive.

However Stastny was possibly #1 but guaranteed top 3 in PPGvsQOC (or points versus players who played against the same level of competition) and played with David Jones and Aaron Palushaj (has anyone ever heard of those players?)

So I'd say its about a wash.

With seeing this however I fell like I have been undervaluing Phaneuf, however I still stand by the idea that Stastny's value is larger.

Edit: Or at least I could say each player could fetch more somewhere else than for each other.
- Meeqsb

No.

Stastny's value couldn't be lower. Colorado can't afford to pay him (Roy and Sakic are bluffing out their asses when they say they won't be looking to trade him) and nobody who can afford him has the cap space.

There are maybe 2 or 3 possible destinations for him if one of those teams wants to take a chance on a high reclamation project. And let's be honest, he's a reclamation project at that price.

Did you really suggest #5, #7 or skinner for Dion (one year left before UFA @ 6.5mil)

Unless it was a straight up swap for Letang and Phaneuf I don't see how Leafs would want him. He would cost to many good prospects that have higher potential then Letang. And pits can afford Phaneuf over Letang? I dont think so. I can see Letang signing in Toronto when hes a UFA but that would mean no new deal on the team he is traded to meaning less value Pits can give out of a trade.
- jake24242

How can you say that? gambling.

Letang is very good and you'll be glad to take him....I hope not

I dont see Pit trading away Sutter
- Meeqsb

You got that right

Unless it was a straight up swap for Letang and Phaneuf I don't see how Leafs would want him. He would cost to many good prospects that have higher potential then Letang. And pits can afford Phaneuf over Letang? I dont think so. I can see Letang signing in Toronto when hes a UFA but that would mean no new deal on the team he is traded to meaning less value Pits can give out of a trade.
- jake24242

I would kill to get Phaneuf AND Letang.

Now there's a top pairing.

His contract isn't an issue as the Avs could retain up to 50% of it making him 3.3M$ player as well as this is his last year so it poses no problem for the team that deals for him.

Also Sacco's system was the worst possible fit for his style of play and is the primary reason for his decline in numbers. Funny enough Carlyle's system is probably the perfect fit for him. If he isn't traded at the draft, expect his numbers to go back up under Roy this year.

He was always played against the teams top lines.

He is best when you place him with a power forward and shooters like Stewart and funny enough he would probably be the perfect center for a player like Kessel.
- Meeqsb

I just never notice him as a difference maker. He's a solid player but IMO a 2C. Definitely not worth almost 7mil.

How can you say that? gambling.

Letang is very good and you'll be glad to take him....I hope not
- Orpik44

Agreed, id easily trade our first and Gardiner + for arguably the best rh puck mover in the game.

+ Cant be Rielly though.

Leafs would have to add the 1st and prospect.
- SameOld

If PITT can't afford Letang, who is significantly better and much younger than Phaneuf, why would the want Phaneuf for 1 year?

can you point me to where you are getting these stats?

thanks
- senstroll

I generally Check Hockeyanalysis.com, also MileHighHockey has come out over the past 2 years and provided very strong and solid coverage of the Avs in which they have a love for advanced statistics.

Ferguson Jr type trade for Letang?

I would kill to get Phaneuf AND Letang.

Now there's a top pairing.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Oh yeah, Dion would need to take a paycut after this year though, and hed probably have an off the charts year playing with Letang.

what do you guys think of this trade

letang, sutter

for

phaneuf, kulemin

We know the pens are high on kule but I'm not sure if that really helps us at the center position. Sutter at best is a #2 guy. Still a solid centerman with tons of potential tho
- Sheppy99

Take sutter out on pitts side and add Reilly on the leafs side.

How can you say that? gambling.

Letang is very good and you'll be glad to take him....I hope not
- Orpik44

He is good id love him on the Leafs but Gardiner and Rielly have higher potential then Letang IMO and we can just wait 2 years for them to develop more.

I am getting the used car salesman vibe...reminds me of the Van fans who were in here trying to sell us a shiney new Luongo for insane prices... I am just going to walk away now...

Agreed, id easily trade our first and Gardiner + for arguably the best rh puck mover in the game.

+ Cant be Rielly though.
- Leafland

I could see them asking for Ashton...or even Kulemin who's fallen out of favour in Toronto.

Kadri, Gardiner and your 1st for letang. That's a realistic trade for him. Your delusional if you think otherwise. Really hope the leafs keep phaneuf, love watching him cough up the puck, be out of position and make bad pinches every game.