Sounds like Pitts should talk to Col. Letang for Stastny ... done
- senstroll

Stastny is nearly Gagner level....nearly.

We would offer up our prospects. We have a derth of them in the AHL and coming out of Jr's. We have solid role players that might fit in. Again, Toronto won't get much at the start of the season for Dion with only one year left unless the trade involves a contract extension. Then we would consider offering more.
- dgutzman

No thanks to AHL role player prospects for our captain, our #1 dman. Just crazy. We're not going to give him away, we want to augment with him not weaken the blueline by moving him.

Lot of letang to the leafs chatter right now, surprising to just hear that!
- burn

I'm not that surprised b/c it makes sense from the Pens perspective to shop him given his contract status. And the Leafs seem to be looking for homeruns - they're always rumoured to be in on everything but this summer I think it has some truth to it.

The theory might be - trade for Letang ....lock him up. Trade Phaneuf to replenish the cupboard and free up some Cap space.

Both guys are going to get paid so it's all about who you want to build your back end around.

I don't what you're trying to say, really. You lost in the 1st round....we lost in the 3rd round. The best teams just up their games. We sucked at crashing the net and couldn't get close to Rask. We deserved to lose.

Are you trying to say the Leafs are better than the Penguins?
- Orpik44

You played the Islanders than Ottawa haha. I'm saying the pens aren't good. Nothing more, nothing less.

But apparently Toronto has no good players that could interest them so that's all good.

Each players team making the playoffs or not has nothing to do with their value(congrats to the leafs for a good year btw). The leafs won because of Carlyle's open system allowed them to be 5th in scoring and have a strong transition game. Their defense was below average. It was Tor's top 6 and style of play that allowed them to make the playoffs, not Dions solid D.

The Avs missed the playoffs because they had one of the bottom 3 Defenses in the league and a coach with an outdated system and lack of depth on the wing with a below average bottom 6. Also due to a contract hold out Stastny was pushed into a purely defensive role leaving him to play dump, chase and cycle hockey which is not the system he is meant for.

The East has always been more offensive and the west more defensive, it is no secret and it is well documented.

Your points that you have stated don't portray an accurate representation of each player.

Of course Dion has good value, I believe given the current state of the League with a lower cap, and thin FA pool that Stastny holds more value.
- Meeqsb

I have watched quite a few Avs games and Statsny is as overpaid as they come, his PPG have plummeted from 3-4 years ago and with the addition of Duchene he gets to face 2nd and 3rd pairing defensemen more often. He's just not a difference maker, he's a decent 2C for most teams. He would be the 2nd center on my awful Sabres team behind Hodgson

So what would you guys want to take back (within reason) for this deal?
- lumlums

1st RP + Gardiner + prospect, probably.

Each players team making the playoffs or not has nothing to do with their value(congrats to the leafs for a good year btw). The leafs won because of Carlyle's open system allowed them to be 5th in scoring and have a strong transition game. Their defense was below average. It was Tor's top 6 and style of play that allowed them to make the playoffs, not Dions solid D.

The Avs missed the playoffs because they had one of the bottom 3 Defenses in the league and a coach with an outdated system and lack of depth on the wing with a below average bottom 6. Also due to a contract hold out Stastny was pushed into a purely defensive role leaving him to play dump, chase and cycle hockey which is not the system he is meant for.

The East has always been more offensive and the west more defensive, it is no secret and it is well documented.

Your points that you have stated don't portray an accurate representation of each player.

Of course Dion has good value, I believe given the current state of the League with a lower cap, and thin FA pool that Stastny holds more value.
- Meeqsb

I respectfully disagree, and apologize for being a dink. You're entitled to your opinion.

Whatever you're smoking, I want some. You just asked for 2 first rounders, a top D propect in the league, a 3-4 D thats very young and kulemin for Letang. Why don't you just go to the Edmonton thread and offer them Letang for every one on their roster? Plug.
- trolleytracks

People...you're ALL missing the point. My point is exactly that this is ridiculous. That PITT wouldn't accept a "fair" deal from TOR (assuming a signed Letang) because it makes no sense from a competition point of view. The fact you're all up in arms EXACTLY proves my point.

In three years, Weber's contract comes down 2 million, in 5 years is comes down to 6 million a year. So by the time Weber is 33, his contract will pay him an average of 4.5 a year over the remaining 8 years which will make him the biggest deal in the NHL.
- dgutzman

that contract description sounds horrible... smooth sailing when Weber is 33

Never would the Leafs give up so much for so little please get the rumour correct Rossi from Pitt reported that Letang wanted to land in Toronto. He's only worth 1 player
- puck-off

I'd say Letang is worth a fair bit.

1st RP + Gardiner + prospect, probably.
- Orpik44

Deal

1st RP + Gardiner + prospect, probably.
- Orpik44

That i can agree with you on...

..and still lost in the 1st round. Try again. Boston certainly didn't play all they could against the Leafs. It's a normal thing to play low when the other team in an underdog. You know it.
- Orpik44

That i can agree with you on...
- SameOld

Until he says the prospect is Morgan lol

People...you're ALL missing the point. My point is exactly that this is ridiculous. That PITT wouldn't accept a "fair" deal from TOR (assuming a signed Letang) because it makes no sense from a competition point of view. The fact you're all up in arms EXACTLY proves my point.
- mventres

The competition point has merit, but it is not the trumping card you make it out to be.

Until he says the prospect is Morgan lol
- mykokes

noooooo deal

You played the Islanders than Ottawa haha. I'm saying the pens aren't good. Nothing more, nothing less.

But apparently Toronto has no good players that could interest them so that's all good.
- SameOld

The same could be said about Toronto, right? The Bruins played the Leafs. (You're not a winning organization right now).

See...

The Islanders were a fast team that gave us fits just like the Leafs gave fits to the Bruins. Some teams match well against others.

Listen, I know I'm being a dink right now, but can you blame me? I can toss the fact that Advanced stats say Phaneuf faced the toughest competition amongst NHL d-men this year if I believed in advanced stats, what I know is if you have a d-man capable of 40 points and 200 hits and able to play over 24 minutes a night, you don't trade him. Especially when his partners all season were Mike fricking Kostka and Korbinian Holzer.
- mykokes

I didn't know he was #1, that is actually pretty impressive.

However Stastny was possibly #1 but guaranteed top 3 in PPGvsQOC (or points versus players who played against the same level of competition) and played with David Jones and Aaron Palushaj (has anyone ever heard of those players?)

So I'd say its about a wash.

With seeing this however I fell like I have been undervaluing Phaneuf, however I still stand by the idea that Stastny's value is larger.

Edit: Or at least I could say each player could fetch more somewhere else than for each other.

I'd say Letang is worth a fair bit.
- Viktory

I dont know much about him and I guess I could look it up... but playing on Pitts I would be worried about some inflated stats.. what % of his points are on the PP?

I dont know why.but I am not really interested

I respectfully disagree, and apologize for being a dink. You're entitled to your opinion.
- mykokes

Hmm thats fair. It was fun debating it however.

The competition point has merit, but it is not the trumping card you make it out to be.
- Leafland

It totally does. Why would PITT bother to deal him to TOR when there will be at least 5-6 extremely strong bids from western conference teams? Even if TOR's deal is "fair" or equal to the others in the bidding war, PITT would need a significant extra return to consider TOR's deal over any from the West.

Personally, I think this is Letang's agent trying to fup potential PITT trades to teams in the west to get a contract offer in the 'burgh...

doubt that, cause everyone loves phaneuf in the dressing room and speaks very highly of him
- matt1337

How would you replace his minutes with just the top lines?

He plays too much and would do better with a Scuderi paired with him.

I dont know much about him and I guess I could look it up... but playing on Pitts I would be worried about some inflated stats.. what % of his points are on the PP?

I dont know why.but I am not really interested
- senstroll

Man. He's a very good overall player. Best physically talented d-man in the league. You have to pay to get something like that. He's that good. He'll be a king if he ever goes there. He's good! Bylsma's system exposes him a lot and tha sucks. He's so much better than what he's asked to do on the ice. He's a two-way d-man asked to be a top scorer. i'll put it that way.

I didn't know he was #1, that is actually pretty impressive.

However Stastny was possibly #1 but guaranteed top 3 in PPGvsQOC (or points versus players who played against the same level of competition) and played with David Jones and Aaron Palushaj (has anyone ever heard of those players?)

So I'd say its about a wash.

With seeing this however I fell like I have been undervaluing Phaneuf, however I still stand by the idea that Stastny's value is larger.

Edit: Or at least I could say each player could fetch more somewhere else than for each other.
- Meeqsb

And every single GM in the league would disagree

I didn't know he was #1, that is actually pretty impressive.

However Stastny was possibly #1 but guaranteed top 3 in PPGvsQOC (or points versus players who played against the same level of competition) and played with David Jones and Aaron Palushaj (has anyone ever heard of those players?)
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- Meeqsb

can you point me to where you are getting these stats?

thanks