Phaneuf > Gagner???

Doubt it. Phaneuf is an over-priced d-man with consistency issues in all zones. He's 28, so at least he's not old...he is a UFA at the end of the year, and I DOUBT he signs for less then 5per and TOR isn't likely to have the cash for him next year, so he's basically gone.

Gagner: 23 year old C, with significant offensive upside. RFA now, will sign long term deal at 5per. He's barely starting to get into his prime and is already close to a 0.9ppg guy on EDM.
Some argue he's a bit small, possibly, but he would fit in extremely well on TOR.

Me thinks Gagner is more valuable than Phaneuf to TOR, especially considering the needs of TOR for a good young C.

- mventres

I am really hoping you are just trolling and not being serious

That's just waaay to ridiculous... sorry. I'd prefer to keep Kulemin... he's a beast even though he's lost his scoring touch! I can see

Ashton + 21 + Gunnarson FOR Letang
- thehockeygod

Glad you want to keep Kulemin. Seriously ... we don't need him.

Gunnarson - yuck.

That's just waaay to ridiculous... sorry. I'd prefer to keep Kulemin... he's a beast even though he's lost his scoring touch! I can see

Ashton + 21 + Gunnarson FOR Letang
- thehockeygod

Not enough.

The problem is, trading assets for him. The Preds would be in a different predicament trying to reach the cap floor.
- PrinceLH

If they are going to but him out which is what i was posting about then all they need to trade is a 7th round pick and im sure they have enough cap room for him.

Absolutely Phaneuf is more valuable. We were top 5 in scoring in the league, even with a poor 1C. Where we had issues is keeping the puck out of our net. Trading one of the only guys who can play more than 25 mins a night DOES NOT help here. People see the odd brain fart and assume that Dion is garbage. He makes brain farts as he's trying to be 2 guys at once out there. Get him a reliable partner and watch him flourish.

PS: Gagner's points per game over the last four years (NHL) are 0.60, 0.62, 0.63, 0.79. I see improvement, but not 0.9PPG.
- lumlums

Phaneuf is not close to more valuable when you take all considerations into play (salary, UFA, age, need for center, etc).

>> Typo...hat should have read "is getting close to a 0.9ppg guy.

I called this.

Pens will find a way to resign him. If they lose him, they lose a big part of the transition game which hurts their stars.
- therealagent

I'm pretty sure we'll try....if we can't..oh well..

Phaneuf is not getting you anywhere near Landiskog or Duchene. PS is a deal Toronto wins. Avs got burned on Johnson. There's no way they take Dion. Plus they have some really good young d-men in the system already. A veteran, like Ference, makes a tonne of sense. Phaneuf who would be expected to be their #1, not so much. Edmonton makes sense bc he wouldn't be the #1. Gagner is too much in a 1-1 deal. Gagner and Edmonton's 1st for Letang and a prospect makes more sense.
- therealagent

More or less agree, however Phaneuf is far more valuable than Ganger (way overrated right now)

Does it matter? Malkin will never be a 1st line center.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yes how does it not matter? Why would the Leafs trade for a 2nd line center we have 3 of those.

Glad you want to keep Kulemin. Seriously ... we don't need him.

Gunnarson - yuck.
- Oneonta Penguin

I disagree. From watching the Boston series, I think you need a guy like Kulemin quite a bit.

He's strong on the puck and defensively responsible. He's probably a good two-way, 20+ goal scorer with Crosby or Malkin.

Not saying he'd be enough to land Letang by any stretch, but if you throw in a defenseman and a first rounder (maybe a mid-tier prospect, too) you might be set.

You will never find a perfect 90 point centerman to be the leafs #1 centerman.

You are going to have to take a risk on a centermans potential of who's available.

Teams seem to hold onto the type of centerman that we all think would be perfect. Every single year it's "oh let's just wait until ryan getzlaf is available and sign him" Than b4 Fa hits, his team makes the logical decision and resigns him. Happens every single time.

Fans look years in advance to potential FA's and say oh we just need to wait for this time to get our centerman we've always wanted. Sorry, but how has that workedo ut for us so far?
- Sheppy99

I would much rather sign Bozak at $5m for one year than trade away our best Dman for another overpriced centre.

Bozie may not be great, but he was part of the leagues no. 5 offense last year. This despite poor team puck possession numbers, and constantly being outshot. Trade Phaneuf for a centre ONLY if you want to try for Ekblad next summer...

I disagree. From watching the Boston series, I think you need a guy like Kulemin quite a bit.

He's strong on the puck and defensively responsible. He's probably a good two-way, 20+ goal scorer with Corsby or Malkin.
- Leeman4Gilmour

agree he likes playing with Malkin look at there stats together.

I would much rather sign Bozak at $5m for one year than trade away our best Dman for another overpriced centre.

Bozie may not be great, but he was part of the leagues no. 5 offense last year. This despite poor team puck possession numbers, and constantly being outshot. Trade Phaneuf for a centre ONLY if you want to try for Ekblad next summer...
- lumlums

Ekblad??

Not too bad man, thanks... Been a long day but I came home to screw a couple dead Egyptians in the fridge, so all's right now
- lumlums

Fixed

agree he likes playing with Malkin look at there stats together.
- jake24242

I'm sure Shero took note.

I'd take him on our roster with Gardiner and the 1st round pick.

Btw, who do you guys prefer: MacArthur or Kulemin?

Phaneuf is not close to more valuable when you take all considerations into play (salary, UFA, age, need for center, etc).

>> Typo...hat should have read "is getting close to a 0.9ppg guy.
- mventres

A players value to a team is more than just age/pay/etc. The question is "Do we have somebody who can step into their role if they leave?". The answer for Dion is no, we do not. A true 1C would be nice, but I repeat, scoring is not an issue.

Yes how does it not matter? Why would the Leafs trade for a 2nd line center we have 3 of those.
- jake24242

and Gagner is better than Grabovski and McClement. It's not close.

I'm sure Shero took note.

I'd take him on our roster with Gardiner and the 1st round pick.

Btw, who do you guys prefer: MacArthur or Kulemin?
- Orpik44

Kulemin. MacA is always the odd man out around here.

More or less agree, however Phaneuf is far more valuable than Ganger (way overrated right now)
- Meeqsb

Gagner is a special player. Phaneuf has been expected to win the Norris from the time he was 18 and will never live up to expectations. He would excel in a non-hockey market. I would not give up Stastny for Phaneuf though if I'm Patrick Sakic.

agree he likes playing with Malkin look at there stats together.
- jake24242

Toronto fans need to stop this chemistry BS from international competitions as ammo. Look at their stats together - you mean when they beat Kazakhstan 15-1 in some international tournament?

Phaneuf is not close to more valuable when you take all considerations into play (salary, UFA, age, need for center, etc).

>> Typo...hat should have read "is getting close to a 0.9ppg guy.
- mventres

We don't need any more undersized, defensively suspect #2 centers, thanks.

Gagner is a special player. Phaneuf has been expected to win the Norris from the time he was 18 and will never live up to expectations. He would excel in a non-hockey market. I would not give up Stastny for Phaneuf though if I'm Patrick Sakic.
- therealagent

Ganger is a 1 dimensional small 2nd line forward who is bad at faceoffs, has a poor 2 way game and plays with former 1st overall picks.

Nothing special about him.

I'm sure Shero took note.

I'd take him on our roster with Gardiner and the 1st round pick.

Btw, who do you guys prefer: MacArthur or Kulemin?
- Orpik44

Kulemin easy! waaaay more value the Mac and ud be sending a 1st back

Ekblad??
- jake24242

Aaron Ekblad, projected no 1 pick next year. People keep thinking McDavid, but due to him going early into the CHL, he plays an extra year there and is draft eligible in 2015.

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