It's mind numbing. For anybody who missed it, here's a Coles notes version of what we have learned (despite some trying hard not to!)


Phaneuf > Gagner

Phaneuf > Statsny

Letang =/= everybody in the Leafs system



- lumlums

we've been told tonight the opposite lol

Once again, in the new CBA the Avs can keep 50% of Stasny's remaining contract and they have no reason not too if they want to get the most for him as possible as the cap isn't an issue for us.

Also because cap hit is based off of AAV, if you traded for him at the trade deadline you could have him only count for around 2Mil~ caphit, which is the same way the Pens stayed under Cap this year while technically being 7mil over.

How many teams have a top 6 center for 2mil cap hit?
- Meeqsb

I don't know how to say this without being rude......... but your team is poor and the cap really means nothing to them at this point. Saving money does.

The Pens fans are delusional, if they think that we're going to gut our team for Letang. We already have two similar type defencemen, that are younger and cheaper. We need more sandpaper on the back end, not more smaller mobile defencemen. Keep Letang....we'll be fine without him.

The only way that I see Dion gone, is for a true first line center. In doing so, Nonis will have to have another top 2 defenceman in his back pocket, to do this deal.
- PrinceLH

Hence my trade proposal

Not for you

Hows it going bud?
- lumlums

Excellent and yourself?

He's the new dominic moore 2.0. He's overvaluing himself because Toronto is utilizing his services to a greater degree than any other team in the league would.

He's a good 2B 3A centerman. But he's asking for money of a 1B 2A centerman of which he isn't worth.

if you can only muster 50 points in 82 games playing with the likes of lupul and kessel? You aren't that offensively gifted.
- Sheppy99

I bet he'd crack 60 with them this year. His first year he was dynamite. Second year he was cursed, and this year cut short. Hes a peacock coach, you gotta let him spread his wings and fly.

Phaneuf, makes sense for both teams.

But Nonis better have a back up plan to eat those minutes cause that is a gigantic hole on the back end and to be honest I don't think letang alone fills Phaneufs footsteps.

As much as I hate his game sometimes, he is still far better defensively than letang.
- Sheppy99

It does not make sense unless there is more coming back from Colorado. If Stastny was signed to a JvR type contract, then it'd be more like it. To put it into context, Clarke (frank)ing MacArthur scored 60 points more recently than Statsny did.

Pass

Phaneuf, makes sense for both teams.

But Nonis better have a back up plan to eat those minutes cause that is a gigantic hole on the back end and to be honest I don't think letang alone fills Phaneufs footsteps.

As much as I hate his game sometimes, he is still far better defensively than letang.
- Sheppy99

It does make sense, however I would much rather get a younger Dman with more upside, less cap hit and a bit more risk or a top 6 winger.

I just see trading for Dion a short term lateral move by the Avs rather than a long term solution. I can also see Stastny flourishing on the leafs and them getting the better hand of the deal.

I just think their are better options out there.

I would rather the Avs try and make a play more along the lines of Ian Cole+ rather than Phaneuf who would just sign elsewhere in a year

And Letang got chewed up as badly as anyone vs. Boston.

He's not physical, he's injury prone, he plays behind one of the best offenses in the game, and he's probably going to get around 7 mil on his next deal.

I'd take him for sure to play with Dion. A straight flip is probably a lateral move. I'd be more afraid of Letang getting hurt than anything.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Wow...you don't watch much Letang right? He's physical when asked to be, he's fast and you can trust him against anyone one on one. He's good on both ends of the ice. He's Ok on the PP.

On the Leafs? Seriously? Dammit, I wonder how NJ fans feel about losing such a legend to you guys.
- mykokes

Martin was a key piece in NJ

Excellent and yourself?
- Yeti1181

Not too bad man, thanks... Been a long day but I came home to a couple of cold ones in the fridge, so all's right now

One of these days lumlums, one of these days...
- XxHarounXx

You're welcome

What's up with Bozak? Is he that bad?
- Orpik44

Wants 5 mil a season is whats up

Wow...you don't watch much Letang right? He's physical when asked to be, he's fast and you can trust him against anyone one on one. He's good on both ends of the ice. He's Ok on the PP.
- Orpik44

It's hard to watch much of Letang considering he spends half the year on the IR.

He is a quite player for sure and he is overpaid. However with the new CBA a team could trade for him at a Caphit of only 3.3mil which is AMAZING value for what he brings to the ice. His playstyle is all about taking advantage of high percentage shooting lanes. He scores a deceptively large amount of goals and uses his vision and great passing to set up goal scorers while playing a responsible 2 way game with good puck possession. He is excellent on FO as well. No doubt in my mind Kessel would get 50G with Stastny. He is also very effective crashing the net.

Sacco system forced players to dump and chase 100% of the time, never activate D and only took bad shots from the perimeter which really hurt his game. Stastny also rarely got offensive zone starts and was played against the other teams best players, with poor linemates of his own due to the avs lack of depth on the wing.

That is an in look at stastny as a player so take what you may.
- Meeqsb

If hes that great then why are you so high on trading him. Trade one of the other centres instead.

It does make sense, however I would much rather get a younger Dman with more upside, less cap hit and a bit more risk or a top 6 winger.

I just see trading for Dion a short term lateral move by the Avs rather than a long term solution. I can also see Stastny flourishing on the leafs and them getting the better hand of the deal.

I just think their are better options out there.

I would rather the Avs try and make a play more along the lines of Ian Cole+ rather than Phaneuf who would just sign elsewhere in a year
- Meeqsb

Colorado is alot closer to LA, he might like it there.

Not at all. I'm saying Dion gets traded for someone like Duchene, or Landiskog. We then make another deal for a defenceman elsewhere, that eats up minutes on the back end.
- PrinceLH

Leafs don't have a single player that would get you Duchene or Gabe. There are players that are untouchable.

I bet he'd crack 60 with them this year. His first year he was dynamite. Second year he was cursed, and this year cut short. Hes a peacock coach, you gotta let him spread his wings and fly.
- Leafland

You really want to sign him to a long term deal at 5 mill plus a season? Seems like a bigger risk than acquiring Stastny. Bozak takes nights off a lot.

I feel like this is Matt Stajan all over again

And Letang got chewed up as badly as anyone vs. Boston.

He's not physical, he's injury prone, he plays behind one of the best offenses in the game, and he's probably going to get around 7 mil on his next deal.

I'd take him for sure to play with Dion. A straight flip is probably a lateral move. I'd be more afraid of Letang getting hurt than anything.
- Leeman4Gilmour

People still don't respect letangs defensive ability. He's not a defensive stud be he an hold his own. He's better defensively than karlsson. Literally the only problem I have with him is his decision making when to join rushes, when to "free roam" around the offensive zone, and his passes are also questionable he had a lot of turnovers that shouldn't have happened.

we've been told tonight the opposite lol
- mykokes

So.

(frank)ing.

Brutal.

Wants 5 mil a season is whats up
- jake24242

He's crazy. He deserves something like $3.5M.

You really want to sign him to a long term deal at 5 mill plus a season? Seems like a bigger risk than acquiring Stastny. Bozak takes nights off a lot.

I feel like this is Matt Stajan all over again
- Sheppy99

Not at 5 mill, thats bullpoop. Unlike others i wouldn't care about 4 mill though.

Bernier had to be traded before his RFA rights were up. JVR proved to be 10000x better than Schenn so in that aspect the trolls more correctly estimated his value than the looney flyers did(GJ on burke). I am not sure what happened for the others.

The leafs have been very fortunate with how the trades turned out, especially with Lupul becoming a force out of nowhere. It is interesting to see how everything turned out though, granted many of those trades were burkes doing. Nonis still has to prove himself.
- Meeqsb

I disagree, Schenn (Luke) was amazing for the Flyer's this year.. checkout his stats. For a stay at home Dman on a really poopty team last year he played very well!! Decent trade that ended up benefitting both clubs actually... but I wanted to Keep Schenn.... have Reilly and Gardiner in the system softens that blow though.

I don't know how to say this without being rude......... but your team is poor and the cap really means nothing to them at this point. Saving money does.
- Sheppy99

The avs are already pretty close to the Cap floor and Sakic and Roy came over because ownership promised to spend to win again. No reason to spend a ton while rebuilding however Avs keeping some of stastny's contract would be mostly to stay near the cap floor.

Martin was a key piece in NJ
- jake24242

So was Andy Greene and Marek Zidlicky for a time. I get he's not as bad as I make him sound, but he wouldn't be #1 over Phaneuf. I know I'm saying some dumb poop tonight, but some of the stuff on here, can you blame me?

Leafs don't have a single player that would get you Duchene or Gabe. There are players that are untouchable.
- Meeqsb

Not if you're Graeme James.....