The open market for any goods or services doesn't work that way. If somebody is willing to pay Leddy $8M/year, that is what his market value is.

Remember the endless discussions about Hammer not being worth $3.5M/year? What's he worth now?
- RickJ

Hammer is worth more based on his play this year and TOI. The year after his signing he dropped off and looked like that was an overpayment. As a shut down D man in his 3rd contract he could be worth twice his current deal.

And yes, if someone is stupid enough to pay Leddy twice the salary of what other teams have valued players who compare offensively and perhaps better defensively then that would be the market for Leddy. It would also result in a GM being fired and hospitalized for psychiatric evaluation.

Streit, Voyanov, Josi, and Shattenkirk as comps put Leddy, at best, in the 3s. There may be a GM who sees the next Paul Coffey and may pay more than the established range but not by much. Not with a hard cap.

But there's no middle ground in a game/series. You win or you don't. If the non-goal had crushed them, then maybe the team didn't have the right make-up to win and should have been blown up, but it didn't and they won. If they didn't have someone with Frolik's skill on the 4th line, maybe they don't get that perfect tip leading to the goal, but they did and they won. As a fan (fanatical) I enjoy the highs and hate the lows, chalking it all up to luck would make the experience more hollow for me, but to each their own
- rollpards19

As fans sure, but as a general manager? We're used to making fun of the great StanBow but was he so off when he assessed the team as underperforming in the playoffs last year? I think "we like are team" is as ridiculous a statement as the rest of this board and he sure boggled the 2010 sell off, but I'd still rather have him than that idiot out in Philly. Sure we needed a couple defensive additions, but what were some of the most obvious differences with this year's team? Corey Crawford looking more like his rookie year. A team that learned its lesson and refused to quit, unlike last year where they looked terrible. Everybody as JJ very accurately pointed out, playing big. Big players actually scoring at big times. Etc. I guess its just hard to call for sweeping changes when you look at what this team really has. (Except assistant coaches, those guys suck)

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Well it depends on the philosophy of the GM...pay for past performance or for future performance.
- UnnamedSource

If another GM wants to pay Leddy $4 million then I wish him good luck on his new team.

If another GM wants to pay Leddy $4 million then I wish him good luck on his new team.
- DarthKane

In 5 years it could be a steal.

Awesome I was talking with my father over game 1 of the finals.Since I was born the same year that the hawks won in 61,I always knew he was a Hawks fan due to Hall.Ends up that he was a Hull fan as he used to watch him play in Woodstock as a 14 year old.Strange how time goes by and you sometimes miss asking the good questions. That game one was awesome as we all know.
- eagle50

But who in their right mind would pay Leddy over $4 million? At least in Hammer's case he was a big part of our cup run in 2010. Can we say the same about Leddy in 2013? If a GM is thinking over OS'ing Leddy they will look around the league at comparable defenseman and gross up the amount a bit. But they still have to be realistic.
- DarthKane

Stanbow thought Hammer was worth $1.5M on a new deal and wound up having to pay $3.5M/yr.

If the pickings are slim on the open market or via trade, teams will overpay to get something they think they need to improve. Idiots like Kevin Lowe, Brian Burke, Glen Sather, Terry Pegula, Jay feaster and many others have proven that year after year.

Although not a fair comparison to the Leddy situation, do you think the contracts that these guys have make any sense - Cam Fowler, JM Liles, James Wisniewski, Roman Josi, Fedor Tyutin, Keith Ballard, Dion Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Allen and Souray. I wouldn't want any of them on the Hawks at their price but teams signed them at what they thought was fair market value.

If somebody thinks Leddy is worth much bigger money than you, me or the Hawks do, thats just the market in action.

Cashing in before moving on?

Stanbow thought Hammer was worth $1.5M on a new deal and wound up having to pay $3.5M/yr.

If the pickings are slim on the open market or via trade, teams will overpay to get something they think they need to improve. Idiots like Kevin Lowe, Brian Burke, Glen Sather, Terry Pegula, Jay feaster and many others have proven that year after year.

Although not a fair comparison to the Leddy situation, do you think the contracts that these guys have make any sense - Cam Fowler, JM Liles, James Wisniewski, Roman Josi, Fedor Tyutin, Keith Ballard, Dion Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Allen and Souray. I wouldn't want any of them on the Hawks at their price but teams signed them at what they thought was fair market value.

If somebody thinks Leddy is worth much bigger money than you, me or the Hawks do, thats just the market in action.
- RickJ

I want to see Roszi'WALL BACK for at least 1 more year

Well it depends on the philosophy of the GM...pay for past performance or for future performance.
- UnnamedSource

Future performance is, of course, always opinion but Shattenkirk is only 2 years older than Leddy. One can argue his upside is far greater based on past performance. I see a very fast D man in Leddy but nothing indicates he will ever be a shut down player.

If he wants to develop he would look for a team with a Housley or Yawney type on the bench to mentor him.

Maybe the Hawks can ask for his input on who to replace Kompon with?

We should establish a pool on who goes and for what price range. Should be easy money with some thinking Leddy is worth Weber dollars.

In 5 years it could be a steal.
- UnnamedSource

Or a total bust.

Or a total bust.
- DarthKane

But that's every free agent.....or draft pick....

Future performance is, of course, always opinion but Shattenkirk is only 2 years older than Leddy. One can argue his upside is far greater based on past performance. I see a very fast D man in Leddy but nothing indicates he will ever be a shut down player.

If he wants to develop he would look for a team with a Housley or Yawney type on the bench to mentor him.

Maybe the Hawks can ask for his input on who to replace Kompon with?

We should establish a pool on who goes and for what price range. Should be easy money with some thinking Leddy is worth Weber dollars.
- tredbrta

I don't think he is worth Weber dollars but 4 million for 5 years wouldn't scare me as much with his upside. As far as asking input...a player of Leddys stature shouldn't get any input and would set a bad precedent......

I want to see Roszi'WALL BACK for at least 1 more year

- philco28

Me like Rosy alot but not sure how much he has left in that body. But he was a real difference maker for them in the playoffs.

Wonder if Scotty asked #32 for an honest assessment on what he thought of Leddy as a player what he would say.

Me like Rosy alot but not sure how much he has left in that body. But he was a real difference maker for them in the playoffs.

Wonder if Scotty asked #32 for an honest assessment on what he thought of Leddy as a player what he would say.
- RickJ

Think he's got one more year left...not sure how he'd hold up over a full season, but if spotted well, i'd vote to keep him on the island one more season.

Future performance is, of course, always opinion but Shattenkirk is only 2 years older than Leddy. One can argue his upside is far greater based on past performance. I see a very fast D man in Leddy but nothing indicates he will ever be a shut down player.

If he wants to develop he would look for a team with a Housley or Yawney type on the bench to mentor him.

Maybe the Hawks can ask for his input on who to replace Kompon with?

We should establish a pool on who goes and for what price range. Should be easy money with some thinking Leddy is worth Weber dollars.
- tredbrta

I don't know if Leddy will ever be more than a fast skater with + offensive skills and average defensive skills. I'd guess he maxes as a 3D and 4D is definitely achievable. I'd say a 3M short year deal is definitely reasonable. I'd replace Kompon with a TV screen showing video of the hawks on 5 on 5. Can't be much worse as a PP coach.

Stanbow thought Hammer was worth $1.5M on a new deal and wound up having to pay $3.5M/yr.

If the pickings are slim on the open market or via trade, teams will overpay to get something they think they need to improve. Idiots like Kevin Lowe, Brian Burke, Glen Sather, Terry Pegula, Jay feaster and many others have proven that year after year.

Although not a fair comparison to the Leddy situation, do you think the contracts that these guys have make any sense - Cam Fowler, JM Liles, James Wisniewski, Roman Josi, Fedor Tyutin, Keith Ballard, Dion Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Allen and Souray. I wouldn't want any of them on the Hawks at their price but teams signed them at what they thought was fair market value.

If somebody thinks Leddy is worth much bigger money than you, me or the Hawks do, thats just the market in action.
- RickJ

You are stating the obvious. Repeatedly.

No offense, but we all know that anyone has the ability to overpay for anything at any time.

I was simply throwing another comp out there who was signed today. That may give us a sense of what Sheehy may be asking and what the Hawks may believe is reasonable.

This is one that may go to arbitration. I just hope the Hawks do not choose to move him for too little.

If they arbitrate and lose but choose to sign the player are they still held to the 1 year freeze on trading him that they would be held to if they match an offer sheet?

Ference would look good on our blue line.....he plays hard as nails.

But that's every free agent.....or draft pick....
- UnnamedSource

Very true.

I'm just not sold on Leddy. Offensively he can move the puck as well as anyone on the team, but defensively he can be scary, can he's not out there against the other team's top lines. Maybe I'm being too hard on the kid.

Ference would look good on our blue line.....he plays hard as nails.
- Hawkster

Probably better than brookbank. Any idea of what he costs?

Your original question was if I was another team looking for a young Dman would I offer sheet at $3M and give up a 1st and a 3rd for Leddy. Yes, of course.

Question back to you - if you were the Hawks, would you match? I think I know the answer.
- RickJ

They don't grow on trees and already spent a few years educating.

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You are stating the obvious. Repeatedly.

No offense, but we all know that anyone has the ability to overpay for anything at any time.

I was simply throwing another comp out there who was signed today. That may give us a sense of what Sheehy may be asking and what the Hawks may believe is reasonable.

This is one that may go to arbitration. I just hope the Hawks do not choose to move him for too little.

If they arbitrate and lose but choose to sign the player are they still held to the 1 year freeze on trading him that they would be held to if they match an offer sheet?
- tredbrta

Can't go to arbitration...Leddy isn't eligible.

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Probably better than brookbank. Any idea of what he costs?
- Walky

I'd like to see Rozsival back, the did a good job platooning with Brookbank in the regular season. Then he stepped up his game in playoffs.

In 5 years it could be a steal.
- UnnamedSource

And if the Hawks had the cap space, I would consider recommending they match.

But they don't.

Very true.

I'm just not sold on Leddy. Offensively he can move the puck as well as anyone on the team, but defensively he can be scary, can he's not out there against the other team's top lines. Maybe I'm being too hard on the kid.
- DarthKane

There is no accross the board value. Depends on what other teams needs are. Most teams don't have Seabrook, Keith, and Hammer types as their 1,2,3... So he is worth more to most than us. Then you take into account his age, skating ability and experience already on a Cup winner. You can see where someone would take a calculated risk of 24 mil for 6 years who doesn't have his skill set. With what we already have.... I would let him go for that. Or move Oduya. Which I would prefer.