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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 4:31 PM ET
Q. When you look back to 2011 bringing Ilya in here by a trade and then signing him to that deal, his agent said last week in an interview that in more or less words that the Flyers were essentially bidding against themselves. There weren’t many teams that were looking for a starting goaltender. You say that today is a business decision with Ilya. Do you have any regrets in terms of the negotiation and how it was structured?

A. No, no. What’s the sense of looking back? Today we look forward. I’m not going to look back. I admit it was a costly move, but we gotta move forward. No sense looking back.



I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:31 PM ET
I will take a dump in my pants in the middle of work if we give up Coburn, Read, and the 11th overall pick....

I will then drive to Jersey and push Homer off his bike and burn down the WFC.

I will set my Giroux Jersey on file, during the first pick of the entry draft, and fling myself down the stadium stairs.

To quote the horse on Rin and Stimpy...."No sir.... I don't like it."

- youarewrong

you are wrong this is so right
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
- Tomahawk

Homer still gets advice from Clarkie
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:34 PM ET
I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
- Tomahawk


this particular exchange has been bugging me all day. perhaps it's why they've failed to win a cup since 1975. might want to take a look at that.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 26 @ 4:39 PM ET
I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
- Tomahawk


I don't think holmer wanted that deal. I'll give him a pass on that.



Sigh. Just been thinking a lot lately about the good old boy network as it pertains to the flyers. Snider, broad street bullies, its all gotten so tired
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:39 PM ET
this particular exchange has been bugging me all day. perhaps it's why they've failed to win a cup since 1975. might want to take a look at that.
- hammarby31

they had Lombardi and let him go?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 26 @ 4:39 PM ET
I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
- Tomahawk

ntc/nmc handed out to players who are not in the core
35+yr old contracts
throwing in draft picks to deal away players for salary cap relief
trading draft picks for aging ufa rentals

what's to learn?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 26 @ 4:39 PM ET
I dunno Homer, to maybe learn something from your mistakes and to be more mindful of the market in the future?
- Tomahawk


I didn't take that quote quite so literally.

I chose to hear that as a subordinate not throwing his boss under the bus.

Also, that he didn't feel the need to discuss it with the press.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:41 PM ET
ntc/nmc handed out to players who are not in the core
35+yr old contracts
throwing in draft picks to deal away players for salary cap relief
trading draft picks for aging ufa rentals

what's to learn?

- Marc D

that Homer sucks
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:41 PM ET
ntc/nmc handed out to players who are not in the core
35+yr old contracts
throwing in draft picks to deal away players for salary cap relief
trading draft picks for aging ufa rentals

what's to learn?

- Marc D



hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:43 PM ET
I didn't take that quote quite so literally.

I chose to hear that as a subordinate not throwing his boss under the bus.

Also, that he didn't feel the need to discuss it with the press.

- johndewar


that's probably what was behind his answer, but i genuinely question if there's any learning going on there.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 26 @ 4:44 PM ET
that Homer sucks
- vejim

come on, he's done some good things out there

there have been mistakes too
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 26 @ 4:44 PM ET
Is Rasmus Ristolainen NHL ready
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 4:44 PM ET
what's to learn?
- Marc D



They are so lucky that the CBO's were part of the new CBA.... I shudder to think what they would have had to resort to w/o them.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 4:44 PM ET
I would rather stick my "manhood" in a meat grinder. I would rather make love to Rosie O'Donnell. I would rather get gang raped in prison.....
- youarewrong


Thats just going too far sir!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 4:45 PM ET
Homer still gets advice from Clarkie
- vejim


If that was case Couturier would have been traded for JayBo and Schenn for a 2nd round pick!!
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 26 @ 4:45 PM ET
Homer still gets advice from Clarkie
- vejim


Sometime in the recent past Clarkie made a Voodoo doll of Homer and has been in secret control of his body... I think it started with the offer to Suter and Parise and the OS to Weber.... totally Clarke moves.

not to mention bringing back ex-flyers.. Fedotenko...Gagne... It has Clarke written ALL over it.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 26 @ 4:46 PM ET
Been out all day...rumors???
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 4:46 PM ET
Is Rasmus Ristolainen NHL ready
- Winning


A lot of scouts think he is
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
Sometime in the recent past Clarkie made a Voodoo doll of Homer and has been in secret control of his body... I think it started with the offer to Suter and Parise and the OS to Weber.... totally Clarke moves.

not to mention bringing back ex-flyers.. Fedotenko...Gagne... It has Clarke written ALL over it.

- youarewrong

you are wrong is so right
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
Been out all day...rumors???
- isaiah520


Flyers are trying to acquire: Luongo, Miller, Vanek, Edler, Yandle, Jimmy Hoffa's remains, Bobby Orr's knees, and the ghost of Christmas Past
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
Under the old CBA, I would have been fine with that deal. Now, with cap recapture, deals like that terrify me. Anything happens to him, they'd be screwed for years. Imagine he comes over, plays a couple years, then gets hurt and retires. Or even dies somehow. Then you have a ton of dead cap space to worry about.

Too much risk on the recapture provisions.

- Jsaquella


I feel like the NHL wouldn't count a contract against the cap for a player who was dead. Hopefully it never comes up.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 4:48 PM ET
Always good to check back in for the reliable dose of stupid.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 26 @ 4:48 PM ET
you are wrong is so right
- vejim


twice in 1 day... I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 26 @ 4:49 PM ET
twice in 1 day... I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
- youarewrong

2 wrongs dont make a right
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