I wouldn't mind luongo as a free agent
- griouxmvp2012

Id prefer him as a FA. So long as he isnt gonna cost us a ton.

I wouldn't mind luongo as a free agent
- griouxmvp2012

I would like it as well on the right contract. From all I have heard, I am not sure he'd like to play here.. We'll see.. you hear that he's set on going to Florida for family reasons, but I wonder would he go somewhere for a chance at a cup?

Id prefer him as a FA. So long as he isnt gonna cost us a ton.
- jak521

I don't think it would be a ton of money around 4 mil maybe 3 years 12 mill would be nice

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Luongo, Cap Space
- bmeltzer

Should the Flyers consider trading Mason if they can get Luongo?

nice blog Bill!

I would sign Luongo to a 4/16. I would try to get Bobby Ryan, but without giving up the 11th overall. I would like them to pursue possibly Fillipula or Stalberg. I'll take either of them. Also, I'm very high on Andrew Ference, but i'm probably the only one.

I would like it as well on the right contract. From all I have heard, I am not sure he'd like to play here.. We'll see.. you hear that he's set on going to Florida for family reasons, but I wonder would he go somewhere for a chance at a cup?
- Hextall271

Trade for markstrom lol

Should the Flyers consider trading Mason if they can get Luongo?
- dingo8urbaby

i wouldn't.

Mike Gillis is the that guy at the club, drunk and desperate on the dance floor at 2AM.
- johndewar

Understood. Most likely he is bought out.

To your point the penalty would not be applied until he retires (say in 5 years at age 39). By that time $2 million will be less than 1.5% of the cap. It all depends on what you think Lu will haul in on the open market today. I happen to think the shorter the contract the closer to $6 million AAV he will get. His $5.33 aav is appropriate for what he brings to the table the next 5 years imo. Have to assume there's no way any of these CBO guys take a lesser contract because they have a big heart and feel guilty another team is also paying them... Their agents will make sure of it
- moylander

Trust me, I hear you -- I crunched some numbers, thought really hard about if Florida, because they're a cap floor team, might actually not be opposed, in theory, of taking the contract on because no matter what they do, they're going to struggle to be at the floor. Maybe they wouldn't care about carrying a charge but not a player, if that's the money they need to reach the floor.

But I always looped back to this: There's enough long-term contracts out there in the league where you can do that and actually still have the player.

For instance, maybe seven years from now, Jeff Carter's slowed down but is still playing, at age 35. And he wants to get a couple more years in, but no longer fits in LA's plans at that salary. That's not unthinkable, right?

Well, if you're Florida, you could just say, "Hey, LA. Let us have that contract. We'll keep Jeff Carter, put him on the ice for PPs and offensive zone draws, keep his minutes at about 10-12 per game. He still wants to play, but he isn't a Top 6 forward anymore and you want to use that salary on someone who is. You can't do that while paying him the cap charge he has, but we can. It's a win-win for us both."

For Bill or anyone who Knows the new CBA rule.

What about Vancouver retaining part of the contract ????

I thought under the new CBA teams could trade some of the cap space? what if Van agreed to take 1/3 of the salary ????
that would make his salary ...or cap hit only just north or 3.5 million.

now vancouver ownership would be happy...because they don't have too pay the 2/3 of the buyout #....then perhaps there could be a hockey trade....in there as well.

My understanding is that they can, and if you're the Canucks and that decision was made in a vacuum, you'd do that and continue to hope for a miracle trade rather than give him away for free, because no one is claiming that contract.

But in reality, here's what you've got: A player who you negotiated with in good faith, who you decided is no longer the starter, whose contract is untradable.

The Flyers, for all their faults, showed how you handle that: You bite the bullet, pay the buyout, and move on.

That's unfortunate for all involved. But that's how this CBA worked out. Vancouver...I mean, seriously. Nobody, including the Flyers, wants to pay a player for a decade-plus to not play for them.

But when you put the player on waivers, that's...exactly what you're doing. You're just paying the player to not play for you.

I don't read coverage of Vancouver every day, so I don't know where they are on it. I was under the impression that their GM feels there is a deal to be made for Roberto Luongo.

My personal opinion: If there was a deal to be made, it would've happened by now. Waivers is an option, but, again, at some point Vancouver needs to accept these realities:

1. Roberto Luongo's cap recapture makes his contract horrific.
2. You are not going to "win" a trade for Roberto Luongo, if you are able to trade him in some sort of package, because there isn't a team in the league that can handle that recapture. There is no "hockey trade" for Roberto Luongo.
3. The contract is now, in business terms, "sunk cost." It's guaranteed. You have to pay it in either its entirety if you keep the player, even if you put him on waivers if he goes unclaimed, which he would -- which is absolutely their right, since he's under contract -- or pay less through a buyout.

Those are the options they have. There are not other options. They can talk about it and pretend there are, but reality dictates there are not other options.
- AllInForFlyers

Every player who is going to be bought out has to be places on Waviers for the purpose of a buyout first.

Should the Flyers consider trading Mason if they can get Luongo?
- dingo8urbaby

No. He's a competent NHL goaltender at an exceptionally reasonable cap hit commensurate for a backup goaltender.

Looking a head I want the Flyers to sign Gagne to 2 years and under 2.5 million. He's already openly agreed to a hair cut. He knows the organization. He wants to be here. I think if he can remain healthy, he will surprise all of us.

No. He's a competent NHL goaltender at an exceptionally reasonable cap hit commensurate for a backup goaltender.
- johndewar

I wouldn't trade him i really feel he's gonna get his Calder trophy form back

I wouldn't trade him i really feel he's gonna get his Calder trophy form back
- griouxmvp2012

Yeah, I think so too, actually. Love the puck handling dimension he brings. I'm rooting for him to win the job, outright, but if the Flyers bring in Luongo, I'd understand it, even if it weren't the move I'd make.

Looking a head I want the Flyers to sign Gagne to 2 years and under 2.5 million. He's already openly agreed to a hair cut. He knows the organization. He wants to be here. I think if he can remain healthy, he will surprise all of us.
- dingo8urbaby

Gags will be back at a reduced rate. He's a 3rd line player now I think he knows that and he wants to stay here signing him should not be a problem at all

Looking a head I want the Flyers to sign Gagne to 2 years and under 2.5 million. He's already openly agreed to a hair cut. He knows the organization. He wants to be here. I think if he can remain healthy, he will surprise all of us.
- dingo8urbaby

agreed. I think he's worth 2/4 or 2/5.

Looking a head I want the Flyers to sign Gagne to 2 years and under 2.5 million. He's already openly agreed to a hair cut. He knows the organization. He wants to be here. I think if he can remain healthy, he will surprise all of us.
- dingo8urbaby

Yup, agreed. You can do worse on the open market for wingers of Gange's ilk than simply bringing Simon back for an extended tour of duty.

No. He's a competent NHL goaltender at an exceptionally reasonable cap hit commensurate for a backup goaltender.
- johndewar

I agree but he is also an asset waiting for a raise after this season. I think he deserves another chance to be a starter. He has about as much a chance of that happening behind Luongo as Bob did behind Bryzgalov.

Yeah, I think so too, actually. Love the puck handling dimension he brings. I'm rooting for him to win the job, outright, but if the Flyers bring in Luongo, I'd understand it, even if it weren't the move I'd make.
- johndewar

I want them to sign luongo but I think they are gonna go with a tandem goalie situation and spend the money eles where. Thank god for you guys you's keep me busy all day while I recover thank you all lol

The crazy thing about this draft is that after about pick 7-8, the next 20 or so picks could be all over the place.. You realistically have a chance at seeing a guy like Pulock go anywhere from 10-20.. or a guy like BOHO go 12-24, or Morin. etc..


I would almost prefer to do that, but I suspect Homer will move up... hell, Im almost positive after his comments yesterday
- jak521

I'm one of those people who isn't afraid to move down -- if you can draft Claude Giroux at 22 and Mike Richards at 24, then you have to believe that they're not afraid of it, either.

That's what makes this draft so exciting, isn't it? If someone has a brass set, you do business with Columbus or Calgary and take your chances on landing two quality players in a draft that not a single person has said isn't deep.

do you think Anaheim would do Coburn, Read and next years 1st for Ryan?

HOLMGREN. "DON'T GO NEAR LUONGO". HE IS SLOW AND GETTING OLDER. THIS IS A YOUNG MAN'S GAME" WHY DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THESE OLD MEN (KIMMO AND STRIET' BIG MONEY???? ONLY GO FOR YOUNG GUYS AND NOBODY ABOVE 32YRS.OLD. STOP THES INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gags will be back at a reduced rate. He's a 3rd line player now I think he knows that and he wants to stay here signing him should not be a problem at all
- griouxmvp2012

I think he can do more then third line duties at age 33. I do not take this past half season serious. What was his status during the lockout?

If Luongo does get bought out (I assume he will), what are the odds that he goes back to Florida?
- Doc_Sarcasm

I really don't feel Loungo is an option for the Flyers and Homer knows it. Even if he does get bought out, I think he is likely to return to Florida or the Islanders. Both have more money to spend, and he has expressed interest in playing there. If the Flyers get caught up in a bidding war between the 3, I have a feeling it will be just like the Sutter, Parise debacle. Loungo will only use us to up the price for the team he wants to sign with... Leaving us high and dry while other goalies are signed by teams not bidding for Loungo.