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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:14 AM ET
It's funny how the deal isn't even official and we're already discussing viable strategies for how to dispose of him early... Flyers
- Tomahawk


We all know he's going to get Flying Ball Rot or Chronic deltoid fatigue and spend two years on LTIR
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:14 AM ET
Phaneuf is involved with trade talks, would anyone trade for him?
- arichardson22

Not really.. plus, i dont think he would be well received by the locker room
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
It's funny how the deal isn't even official and we're already discussing viable strategies for how to dispose of him early... Flyers
- Tomahawk


I have questions on how he will perform starting game 1, let alone in years 3 and 4.

I like his puck moving ability and PP prowess, but very concerned about him playing the defensive side of the puck. He doesn't have the type of skill set that the city is going to take to.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
I'm a huge Ayn Rand fan, which i'm sure most people on this board are allergic to her, but I was watching a documentary not too long on her and Ed Snyder was on there talking about her. He was a huge fan. Made me love him more.
- Flyersgod


I read Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, We the Living, etc. Liked them all, and there were definitely interesting/thought-provoking (and questionable) ideas and concepts throughout. It just never went any further than that for me. It never occurred to me to view Rand's fictional works as anything more than that.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
We all know he's going to get Flying Ball Rot or Chronic deltoid fatigue and spend two years on LTIR
- Jsaquella



Yeah, that FBR and CDF are killers...
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 26 @ 11:16 AM ET
You need to go back and watch some games from the '04 and earlier... most of the bottom-4 dmen were just pathetic with the puck.
- Tomahawk


Its a different game today. In '04 it was the first year the red-line was taken out for 2-line passes. Defenseman didn't have to make near as long passes before, so of course they were going to be worse at it.

Perspective my friend.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:17 AM ET
Yeah, that FBR and CDF are killers...
- Tomahawk


At least the asset cost was minimal.

Now, RISE CAP! RISE!!!!!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:18 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:19 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
- Jsaquella

be careful what you wish for!

http://philabright.com/20...h-pick-for-steve-eminger/
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 11:20 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
- Jsaquella



MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:20 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
- Jsaquella



What would it take for us to get two top-15 picks this season and draft two defencemen like Nurse and Pulok or something else similar to that ?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:20 AM ET
What would it take for us to get two top-15 picks this season and draft two defencemen like Nurse and Pulok or something else similar to that ?
- MrBigglesworth

Lets just say it aint happenin
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
Schneider isn't exactly young. Id rather just get a UFA at that price
- Just5

He just turned 27 in March (18th) and he's only got two years left on his deal before becoming a UFA...what would be the difference? Not having to give up an asset obviously, but he's NOT old by any means.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
What would it take for us to get two top-15 picks this season and draft two defencemen like Nurse and Pulok or something else similar to that ?
- MrBigglesworth


Trading Couturier and/or Schenn
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
- Jsaquella


Does anyone else think its funny the Flyers have been the busiest team in the NHL so far, and yet they really havent done anything yet other then trade for Streits rights?

Technically Briere and Bryz are still on the team. And Streit hasnt signed.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
What would it take for us to get two top-15 picks this season and draft two defencemen like Nurse and Pulok or something else similar to that ?
- MrBigglesworth



Another Carter/Richards trade... or maybe just call up Jay Feaster?
dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:22 AM ET
Oh Goody, we're onto Ayn Rand....C'mon Homer, make a (frank)ing trade
- Jsaquella


Well, if Friedman is right, that trade won't include Couturier.

15. Flyers fans live in constant paranoia over what Philly will do with its young players. Maybe this will help. I've found a few teams that have asked about Couturier over the last year or so. Holmgren refuses to do it, with one possible exception. I'm not including it because I can't prove it, but if true, it would have brought a strong (and young) return.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:22 AM ET
be careful what you wish for!

http://philabright.com/20...h-pick-for-steve-eminger/

- jak521


Shudder
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 26 @ 11:23 AM ET
He just turned 27 in March (18th) and he's only got two years left on his deal before becoming a UFA...what would be the difference? Not having to give up an asset obviously, but he's NOT old by any means.
- LeftCoaster


schneider hasnt impressed me enough to want to trade one of our young centers for him when there are soo many other options out there.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:23 AM ET
Does anyone else think its funny the Flyers have been the busiest team in the NHL so far, and yet they really havent done anything yet other then trade for Streits rights?

Technically Briere and Bryz are still on the team. And Streit hasnt signed.

- youarewrong


As much as I wanted a quiet summer, I had no expectation of one. I expect a lot of stuff to happen.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
Well, if Friedman is right, that trade won't include Couturier.
- dilbert719


I think Friedman is confirming the Flyers asking for PK Subban
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
Shudder
- Jsaquella

Theres more where that came from...


http://www.sportingnews.c...a-flyers-gm-paul-holmgren

edit: poop, wrong link
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
Trading Couturier and/or Schenn
- Jsaquella



Coburn + 41st wouldnt get us a top-15 pick ?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
Streit signing is an absolute WIN !

the guy is a hockey stud and will play top minutes in all situations just like Timonen. I'm extremely happy we got him locked in for 4 years. He solidifies our defence in many many ways. Team captain for Swiss team that beat Canada in Olympics. Team captain on the Isles. He's a couple years younger than Timonen but while Kimmo has played 1,015 games, Streit has only played 491.
He just rocked this past season with 27 pts in 48 reg games and 5pts in 6 playoff games. He's actually slightly taller and more weight than Kimmo.
and the cherry on the top, we didnt have to give up anything in trade.

How can you call this anything but a massive win for a deam that has obvious defensive issues?

- MrBigglesworth



Streit cannot play top minutes in all situations. He is not a player that you want to use on the PK, or against top lines. He is an average at best defender. Very good offensively, but not very good defensively.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 26 @ 11:25 AM ET
Coburn + 41st wouldnt get us a top-15 pick ?
- MrBigglesworth

I dont know, but I think I would definitely want more.
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