Oilers will NOT buy out Shawn Horcoff. Do not take that to mean a compliance by out will not be used in EDM however. Quite possible.

— Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec) June 25, 2013

@rdcloutier He won't buy him out. Makes no sense for Oilers. He is trying to trade him, buyout doesn't help Oilers this year.

— Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) June 25, 2013

- Morris

I saw that too... But if there is no market... Can't keep him now as its a loungo scenario...

I want to give him credit where credit is due. He said things to the effect of "horcoff is gone for sure" which is not what I was thinking. But he never really had the audacity to claim that they'd buy out Horcoff without a replacement being lined up. So I'm impressed, but not that impressed. Everyone knew that if we had a guy who could do the exact same things Horcs did for less money, we wouldn't hesitate to replace him. All I hope now is that Clouts doesn't lord it over us
- Morris

Why would you care if he did lord it over us? Who cares...The guy is a complete moron 95% of the time. Theres so much bipolarism is his work its sad. Hell say one thing and then 2 days later try and call himself out on what he said that didn't come to fruition and hell have you believe what did/didn't happen is what he meant the whole time. I'm sure hes a nice guy and has some good pals, great fam, but his work is a reflection of himself. Lazy hardheaded aroogant etc. The fact he nonchalantly posts a picture of him and pisani at golf tourney looking all star struck, and yet he lambasted pisani for long stints shows how 2 faced he is. No offences to him or hb, but I could easily list 15 regulars here that showmore insite and creativity than clouts.. if I have to read another blog woth his untouchables ( which mind you has changed o er the last few months) ill poop on my cat. Consistantcy isnt in his vocab.. nor anything credible. The way clouts wrires is copy past with a huge helping of homer and a sprinkle of narcisim..ok I'm done

He will, just like pilgor would suddenly be back every day if Omark actually did something asides from suck.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

The real burning question is whether or not we ever hear from Steinley again?

Damn, I feel bad about making fun of clout's over KFC all the time. I just had my Zinger Double Down from KFC. (frank) was it tasty. Ok I'm sleepy and need to take a nap now.
- ruttager17

Those are (frank)ing delicious! I had one a couple of months ago, and started to go numb. Fun times.

Clouts there are always guys on a team that the GM doesn't want to move. You do need to relise that to get something the oilers will have to give something and yes we've reached that point where the oilers need to be better or risk lossing fans. People are mad here and runnin out of rope for the oilers. It's going to be start winning soon or people will tune out. So if giving up say eberle to fill a need and get a superstar D back then thats what MacT has to do weither you like it or not. The oilers maybe still be bad next year but fans need to see something to keep them on this teams train.

First rumor, though i like ganger i tbelieve we need a big center if RNH is number one then ganger needs to go.
Clutterbuck sucks that will be all. He won't get along with hall either. No thanks give me matt cook instead if possible.
- deadsector

The team will be infinately better simply by replacing ALL the UFA's,Hemmer and Horcoff with other,better players (or at least better fits). I dont see us nabbing anyone special this year.

Here's my thought today. (frank) it, let's go buck wild and take every deal on the table.
Let me just daydream a little bit

Pitlick + Anaheim 2nd <--> Cal Clutterbuck
Hemsky + 7th <--> Cowen + Smith
Nick Schultz + 2014 Edmonton 2nd <--> Scott Hartnell
Sign Lapierre and Emery

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Hartnell-Nuge-Eberle
Pajaarvi-Smith-Clutterbuck
Smyth-Lapierre-Brown

Petry-Smid
Schultz-Cowen
Belov-Klefbom

Dubnyk
Emery
- Morris

Schultz and a 2nd doesn't even start the conversation for Hartnell.

Those are (frank)ing delicious! I had one a couple of months ago, and started to go numb. Fun times.
- laughs2907

You know your not supposed to (frank) it right?

Schultz and a 2nd doesn't even start the conversation for Hartnell.
- rhornsburg

My impression was that the flyers were hard up for cash while looking to re-tool their d and between Simmmonds and Hartnell they'd choose Simmonds. It's a lowball offer, but one that somewhat takes into account the tricky situation the flyers are in.

For curiosity's sake, and because I think Hartnell would be a nice piece on the Oil, what do you reckon the flyers would be looking for?

Schultz and a 2nd doesn't even start the conversation for Hartnell.
- rhornsburg

Fine by me. I think we should be making smaller investments for somewhat lesser players at this stage. We are a couple three years away from making big splashes like that.

I saw that too... But if there is no market... Can't keep him now as its a loungo scenario...
- saskoil21

I don't know that that's really the case. It's not like we're going to make him and another 3rd line centre duke it out for our affections and waffle back and forth on which one we like better. There were a lot of characteristics about the Luongo situation that in my impression don't apply.

I saw that too... But if there is no market... Can't keep him now as its a loungo scenario...
- saskoil21

I think the whole have to trade him now thing is abit exaggerated. they have great respect for each other and im sure they spoke before mact ever said anything publicly.

You know your not supposed to (frank) it right?
- HouseArrest187

You're not supposed to (frank) your pet snakes either, but we all do... We all do.

I think the whole have to trade him now thing is abit exaggerated. they have great respect for each other and im sure they spoke before mact ever said anything publicly.
- hugefemale dog77

Mac T said that he would welcome him back (and Hemmer) if he couldn't find a signifgant return in trade.
These guys are pro's. If Mac T sat down with him and said he couldnt get a good trade,I'm sure they could work it out. They're not Women.

You're not supposed to (frank) your pet snakes either, but we all do... We all do.
- laughs2907

You ever try to (frank) a python.... Takes way more skill then a (frank)ing double down.

Mac T said that he would welcome him back (and Hemmer) if he couldn't find a signifgant return in trade.
These guys are pro's. If Mac T sat down with him and said he couldnt get a good trade,I'm sure they could work it out. They're not Women.
- Jeropotato

My impression was that the flyers were hard up for cash while looking to re-tool their d and between Simmmonds and Hartnell they'd choose Simmonds. It's a lowball offer, but one that somewhat takes into account the tricky situation the flyers are in.

For curiosity's sake, and because I think Hartnell would be a nice piece on the Oil, what do you reckon the flyers would be looking for?
- Morris

With the 2 buyouts, they are several million under the cap, with only a couple spots to fill. And that's including Pronger's $5M that can be put on LTIR at any time during the season. They are plenty fine with money.

As for the defense, they have 7 defensemen. They are probably looking at trading Meszaros for whatever they can get, which adds another $4M to the cap space. (Want him?) The problem with our defense is the lack of top end skill, which obviously is an issue with which Edmonton cannot help us since you guys are looking for the same thing. As for the offense, the team is horribly thin at LW. Hartnell is really the only LW in the organization who can now or in the future play in the top 6. Sure Read can slide over, but he's a natural RW, along with Voracek and Simmonds. Hartnell's not the guy we can afford to trade right now, especially with his trade value at an all-time low due to last season. If you were still so inclined to trade for him, the cost would be that of a typical 1st line scoring winger because that is his value to the Flyers, and there is no reason to trade him for anything less.

You're probably talking MPS plus other assets. I would say MPS + 7th, citing the Carter trade as the basis, but I think we can all agree that the 7th in this draft is quite a bit more valuable than the 8th pick back in 2011, which means that comparison isn't quite right. MPS + 2014 1st + one of your defensive prospects not named Klefbom is probably around his value, but the Flyers wouldn't trade him for that when one of the main pieces is so far away from contributing.

With the 2 buyouts, they are several million under the cap, with only a couple spots to fill. And that's including Pronger's $5M that can be put on LTIR at any time during the season. They are plenty fine with money.

As for the defense, they have 7 defensemen. They are probably looking at trading Meszaros for whatever they can get, which adds another $4M to the cap space. (Want him?) The problem with our defense is the lack of top end skill, which obviously is an issue with which Edmonton cannot help us since you guys are looking for the same thing. As for the offense, the team is horribly thin at LW. Hartnell is really the only LW in the organization who can now or in the future play in the top 6. Sure Read can slide over, but he's a natural RW, along with Voracek and Simmonds. Hartnell's not the guy we can afford to trade right now, especially with his trade value at an all-time low due to last season. If you were still so inclined to trade for him, the cost would be that of a typical 1st line scoring winger because that is his value to the Flyers, and there is no reason to trade him for anything less.

You're probably talking MPS plus other assets. I would say MPS + 7th, citing the Carter trade as the basis, but I think we can all agree that the 7th in this draft is quite a bit more valuable than the 8th pick back in 2011, which means that comparison isn't quite right. MPS + 2014 1st + one of your defensive prospects not named Klefbom is probably around his value, but the Flyers wouldn't trade him for that when one of the main pieces is so far away from contributing.
- rhornsburg

Good post. It really straightens out the Phi situation for me.

With the 2 buyouts, they are several million under the cap, with only a couple spots to fill. And that's including Pronger's $5M that can be put on LTIR at any time during the season. They are plenty fine with money.

As for the defense, they have 7 defensemen. They are probably looking at trading Meszaros for whatever they can get, which adds another $4M to the cap space. (Want him?) The problem with our defense is the lack of top end skill, which obviously is an issue with which Edmonton cannot help us since you guys are looking for the same thing. As for the offense, the team is horribly thin at LW. Hartnell is really the only LW in the organization who can now or in the future play in the top 6. Sure Read can slide over, but he's a natural RW, along with Voracek and Simmonds. Hartnell's not the guy we can afford to trade right now, especially with his trade value at an all-time low due to last season. If you were still so inclined to trade for him, the cost would be that of a typical 1st line scoring winger because that is his value to the Flyers, and there is no reason to trade him for anything less.

You're probably talking MPS plus other assets. I would say MPS + 7th, citing the Carter trade as the basis, but I think we can all agree that the 7th in this draft is quite a bit more valuable than the 8th pick back in 2011, which means that comparison isn't quite right. MPS + 2014 1st + one of your defensive prospects not named Klefbom is probably around his value, but the Flyers wouldn't trade him for that when one of the main pieces is so far away from contributing.
- rhornsburg

As Jshack said that makes a lot of sense. Maybe Edmonton and Philly aren't such great dance partners.

Although for the right price, I think Edmonton could get behind Mezaros, and maybe even Read while we've got some injuries in our centres, though he might be a little to pricy and too small for what we're aiming at.

I like the suggestion of drafting Nichuskin at #7 if he falls that far...

Hall / Gagner / Eberle
Nichushkin / RNH / Yakupov

Here's my thought today. (frank) it, let's go buck wild and take every deal on the table.
Let me just daydream a little bit

Pitlick + Anaheim 2nd <--> Cal Clutterbuck
Hemsky + 7th <--> Cowen + Smith
Nick Schultz + 2014 Edmonton 2nd <--> Scott Hartnell
Sign Lapierre and Emery

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Hartnell-Nuge-Eberle
Pajaarvi-Smith-Clutterbuck
Smyth-Lapierre-Brown

Petry-Smid
Schultz-Cowen
Belov-Klefbom

Dubnyk
Emery
- Morris

Don't see how EDM loses any of those deals

I like the suggestion of draft Nichuskin at #7 if he falls that far...

Hall / Gagner / Eberle
Nichushkin / RNH / Yakupov
- Reveen

Duh.....

"I like the idea if the best player available is our pick"

Duh.....

"I like the idea if the best player available is our pick"
- muffin_man

- Reveen

Here's my thought today. (frank) it, let's go buck wild and take every deal on the table.
Let me just daydream a little bit

Pitlick + Anaheim 2nd <--> Cal Clutterbuck
Hemsky + 7th <--> Cowen + Smith
Nick Schultz + 2014 Edmonton 2nd <--> Scott Hartnell
Sign Lapierre and Emery

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Hartnell-Nuge-Eberle
Pajaarvi-Smith-Clutterbuck
Smyth-Lapierre-Brown

Petry-Smid
Schultz-Cowen
Belov-Klefbom

Dubnyk
Emery
- Morris

Hey, that roster isnt too bad. And the deals are believable, though I dont know well enough the other team's thoughts on their players.
Example, has philly given up on 30 goal hartnell and think of him as 20-25 goal hartnell?
Or how much does sens value cowen? Or do they have a center to replace smith at 3C? (I guess zibby could)
But as always Mr. Morris, good insight

You ever try to (frank) a python.... Takes way more skill then a (frank)ing double down.
- HouseArrest187

Yes.