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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:21 PM ET
Outside of the NYI, none of those teams is in the Flyers division, though, so they won;t necessarily affect their ability to make playoffs.
- Jsaquella

yea, not sure how that works this yr
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:21 PM ET
they seem to be attempting build cohesion, imo. Refused to trade top young guys for Weber and Bernier. Hung onto their young assests by singing Streit.
- Crimsoninja


Exactly. They said the reason the went that route was that all it cost them was money, no other assets, and they keep their young players. Yes, in hindsight Bryz was a mistake. But I give them credit for taking the opportunity to get out from under it while they could. They're not perfect, but they tend to do a decent job fixing their mistakes when they make them. Still rather have Holmgren than just about 99% of the other GMs in the league.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:21 PM ET
im confused.. do you want them to build cohesion with the young team... or make moves to try to accellerate the process?

i feel like no matter what you'll say they have no plan

- Crimsoninja


They can do both. Build around the kids with some smart transactions and drafting.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
yea, not sure how that works this yr
- isaiah520


They'll play the Wings and Jackets more often, so that will fit.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
It's all about winning a Cup. Making the playoffs isn't good enough.
- PLindbergh31

well, unfortunately they can't go from where they're at now to a cup contender w/o going to the casino and gambling again. they need another yr or 2 to develop their younger plyrs while adding other pieces. so if they're just a solid plyoff team that's trending back upward, that'll be fine for nxt yr by me.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:24 PM ET
Exactly. They said the reason the went that route was that all it cost them was money, no other assets, and they keep their young players. Yes, in hindsight Bryz was a mistake. But I give them credit for taking the opportunity to get out from under it while they could. They're not perfect, but they tend to do a decent job fixing their mistakes when they make them. Still rather have Holmgren than just about 99% of the other GMs in the league.
- BringBack25

I'd like to see what Holmgren would do if there weren't the giant gorilla coming in and throwing things periodically to force moves. Go get Blah. Go get Blah. Don't ever plan because I will come in and tell you what the hell to do!
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM ET
Yeah, this is what I am starting to think.... react react react.. seems to be the MO.. zero plan... If we are out of the playoffs this year.. I will call for Lavy and Homer to be fired...
- Hextall271

So declaring that they're keeping the youth core in tact this offseason was a reaction thing? Refusing to trade their best youth players for Weber was just a reaction to losing Pronger? Trading essentially worthless assets to fill an immediately important team need was just a stupid reaction and overpayment by Homer? These accusations are a bit incorrect imo, as they obviously have a plan and they are obviously trying to stick to it.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM ET
They can do both. Build around the kids with some smart transactions and drafting.
- PLindbergh31

I think that Coke Zero is excellent. I like it 1000000000000000000000x better than Diet Coke. Oh well this should be an interesting period for the Flyers.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM ET
well, unfortunately they can't go from where they're at now to a cup contender w/o going to the casino and gambling again. they need another yr or 2 to develop their younger plyrs while adding other pieces. so if they're just a solid plyoff team that's trending back upward, that'll be fine for nxt yr by me.
- isaiah520


I know. I understand that. Although I'm as impatient as anyone, they have to build towards it. Making the playoffs is the first step.

If they strike out these next two weeks it's setting them back further.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM ET
I think that Coke Zero is excellent. I like it 1000000000000000000000x better than Diet Coke. Oh well this should be an interesting period for the Flyers.
- bigmookalookie


bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM ET
I'd like to see what Holmgren would do if there weren't the giant gorilla coming in and throwing things periodically to force moves. Go get Blah. Go get Blah. Don't ever plan because I will come in and tell you what the hell to do!
- bodiva88

I can see that gorilla having a lot of push in some moves
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:28 PM ET
I'd like to see what Holmgren would do if there weren't the giant gorilla coming in and throwing things periodically to force moves. Go get Blah. Go get Blah. Don't ever plan because I will come in and tell you what the hell to do!
- bodiva88

You must be talking about Snider. I have not yet seen or read anything 100% linking him to any moves. Bryz there was speculation, Richards/Carter?,...?

I'm just curious where the proof is that Snider is really pulling all the strings.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:28 PM ET
Exactly. They said the reason the went that route was that all it cost them was money, no other assets, and they keep their young players. Yes, in hindsight Bryz was a mistake. But I give them credit for taking the opportunity to get out from under it while they could. They're not perfect, but they tend to do a decent job fixing their mistakes when they make them. Still rather have Holmgren than just about 99% of the other GMs in the league.
- BringBack25

it's a start and i feel better for it.

don't think i'd rather have homer than any of the other 99%, though. schiarelli;holland; don maloney; prob wilson; lombardi just to name a few.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM ET
I'd like to see what Holmgren would do if there weren't the giant gorilla coming in and throwing things periodically to force moves. Go get Blah. Go get Blah. Don't ever plan because I will come in and tell you what the hell to do!
- bodiva88

I'd still rather have an owner that isn't afraid to spend the big bucks. A more miserly owner might've been unwilling to buy out Bryz due to the finances involved in the buyout.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM ET
You must be talking about Snider. I have not yet seen or read anything 100% linking him to any moves. Bryz there was speculation, Richards/Carter?,...?

I'm just curious where the proof is that Snider is really pulling all the strings.

- coffee junkie


I think it's safe to say if Snider wasn't the driving force behind Bryzgalov that Holmgren would have been poop canned. GM's don't get to make 40 million dollar mistakes.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM ET
So declaring that they're keeping the youth core in tact this offseason was a reaction thing? Refusing to trade their best youth players for Weber was just a reaction to losing Pronger? Trading essentially worthless assets to fill an immediately important team need was just a stupid reaction and overpayment by Homer? These accusations are a bit incorrect imo, as they obviously have a plan and they are obviously trying to stick to it.
- JAKEw1234


Try goalie carousel, doesn't work...Trade Carter and Richards to make space and go for Bryz.. Have Bryz and Bob, trade Bob.. Bryz doesn't work, trade for Mason buy Bryz out. Need to acquire another tender.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:30 PM ET
I know. I understand that. Although I'm as impatient as anyone, they have to build towards it. Making the playoffs is the first step.

If they strike out these next two weeks it's setting them back further.

- PLindbergh31

Hopefully they have learned from the mistakes. When the buyout list gets filled up with more people, it will be interesting to see who the Fly boys go after. Eddy has gotz mad money dawg, he will throw dolla dolla billz around dix female dognich. Eddy dont give a mother(frank)
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:30 PM ET
I know. I understand that. Although I'm as impatient as anyone, they have to build towards it. Making the playoffs is the first step.

If they strike out these next two weeks it's setting them back further.

- PLindbergh31

yea, gotta stop treating all forms of assets as if they're burning a hole in their pockets.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:31 PM ET
You must be talking about Snider. I have not yet seen or read anything 100% linking him to any moves. Bryz there was speculation, Richards/Carter?,...?

I'm just curious where the proof is that Snider is really pulling all the strings.

- coffee junkie

Dont eat the yellow cake! Eddy is the puppet master, dont let him play you for a fool
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:32 PM ET
I think it's safe to say if Snider wasn't the driving force behind Bryzgalov that Holmgren would have been poop canned. GM's don't get to make 40 million dollar mistakes.
- PLindbergh31

I wanna be a 40 million dollar mistake, I could be just as clueless as Bryz but I think I have a cuteness Bryz does not have. I have sell ability
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM ET
it's a start and i feel better for it.

don't think i'd rather have homer than any of the other 99%, though. schiarelli;holland; don maloney; prob wilson; lombardi just to name a few.

- isaiah520

Homer is a good GM. He has a weakness in the contracts he signs, but he's good at most other things. Getting a new GM doesn't guarantee that you get a better GM, and I don't think we'd necessarily be getting a better GM by firing Homer.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 7:35 PM ET
Homer is a good GM. He has a weakness in the contracts he signs, but he's good at most other things. Getting a new GM doesn't guarantee that you get a better GM, and I don't think we'd necessarily be getting a better GM by firing Homer.
- JAKEw1234

, I need to change my (frank)ing avatar... crepe
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM ET
it's a start and i feel better for it.

don't think i'd rather have homer than any of the other 99%, though. schiarelli;holland; don maloney; prob wilson; lombardi just to name a few.

- isaiah520


Holland yes. Maybe Schiarelli. The others are just benefiting from lots of crappy seasons in previous years and higher/luckier draft picks.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:37 PM ET
, I need to change my (frank)ing avatar... crepe
- bigmookalookie


Way ahead of you man LOL
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:38 PM ET
I wanna be a 40 million dollar mistake, I could be just as clueless as Bryz but I think I have a cuteness Bryz does not have. I have sell ability
- bigmookalookie

I don't get why people think he's clueless? Dude's mad intelligent.
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