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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM ET
*marcel hossa
- Crimsoninja


Damn... forgot him..
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM ET
I see what you mean.. and I agree...I think Coburn stays...
- Hextall271


I think it has to be an either/or thing. Don't see how they could move both. If they move Meszaros, then Coburn stays, and vice versa. Also, I don't see any reason to move both. They made need some cap relief as Bill pointed out a few pages ago, but moving one should accomplish that as long as they don't take a big salary in return.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM ET
Not many!
- MJL

goalies alone










Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM ET
Pap-smear?

I agree about Bryz- I think he bolts to the KHL since the money will be better and he doesn't seem to like America to much.

- coffee junkie


Won't be with CSKA if so.

BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM ET
Except for the fact that miller/loungo are actually good goalies and not bums?
- SMS4016


Miller is not a fit here. Too much money, too thin-skinned (aka head case), and too inconsistent. He's another MAF, only older with no Cups.
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM ET
Except for the fact that miller/loungo are actually good goalies and not bums?
- SMS4016


Agreed, but how much are they going to give up in a trade for Miller, who would have a higher cap hit than Bryz? Just wait until Luongo is bought out.
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:05 PM ET
Super-talented Flyers insider Frank Seravelli has reported that the sky is indeed blue.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:07 PM ET
Agreed, but how much are they going to give up in a trade for Miller, who would have a higher cap hit than Bryz? Just wait until Luongo is bought out.
- cmr.266


Don't have the assets to trade for Miller IMO.. I'd wait til Lu is bought out and offer him 4 mil per 3 years.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:08 PM ET
Pap-smear?

I agree about Bryz- I think he bolts to the KHL since the money will be better and he doesn't seem to like America to much.

- coffee junkie

he wants to replace putin and he's the new plutocrat
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM ET
Miller is not a fit here. Too much money, too thin-skinned (aka head case), and too inconsistent. He's another MAF, only older with no Cups.
- BringBack25

momma's boy
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM ET
Don't have the assets to trade for Miller IMO.. I'd wait til Lu is bought out and offer him 4 mil per 3 years.
- Hextall271


Right. Zero interest in giving up the farm for another high cap goalie. Not even so sure Luongo is top choice. Homer obviously has something up his sleeve.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:10 PM ET
People should be more concerned with the people running the Flyers, instead of the media.

As I posted earlier close to 12 million in cap space was cleared with the buyouts of Briere and Bryzgalov, and roughly 40% of it has been spent on a +35 contract and Mark Streit.

It appears to me that there is no plan that is being adhered to. Constantly reversing course. Never allowing any cohesion to be built.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:11 PM ET
Right. Zero interest in giving up the farm for another high cap goalie. Not even so sure Luongo is top choice. Homer obviously has something up his sleeve.
- cmr.266


I know people are generally not on board, but I really think Luongo would help solidify the position if he'd come hereon a short term deal.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:13 PM ET
People should be more concerned with the people running the Flyers, instead of the media.

As I posted earlier close to 12 million in cap space was cleared with the buyouts of Briere and Bryzgalov, and roughly 40% of it has been spent on a +35 contract and Mark Streit.

It appears to me that there is no plan that is being adhered to. Constantly reversing course. Never allowing any cohesion to be built.

- PLindbergh31


Yeah, this is what I am starting to think.... react react react.. seems to be the MO.. zero plan... If we are out of the playoffs this year.. I will call for Lavy and Homer to be fired...
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:14 PM ET
People should be more concerned with the people running the Flyers, instead of the media.

As I posted earlier close to 12 million in cap space was cleared with the buyouts of Briere and Bryzgalov, and roughly 40% of it has been spent on a +35 contract and Mark Streit.

It appears to me that there is no plan that is being adhered to. Constantly reversing course. Never allowing any cohesion to be built.

- PLindbergh31

they seem to be attempting to build cohesion, imo. Refused to trade top young guys for Weber and Bernier. Hung onto their young assests by singing Streit.


edit: sticking with lavy seems to speak to cohesion too.. rather than having everything start over with a new system
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM ET
I know people are generally not on board, but I really think Luongo would help solidify the position if he'd come hereon a short term deal.
- Hextall271


I'd be okay with Luongo if he's bought out and comes relatively cheap. Not sure he's willing to do that, but if he is then I'd be interested. Otherwise I'll be happier just to keep reading his tweets.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM ET
People should be more concerned with the people running the Flyers, instead of the media.

As I posted earlier close to 12 million in cap space was cleared with the buyouts of Briere and Bryzgalov, and roughly 40% of it has been spent on a +35 contract and Mark Streit.

It appears to me that there is no plan that is being adhered to. Constantly reversing course. Never allowing any cohesion to be built.

- PLindbergh31

if flyers miss the plyoffs, homer's out and they'll be a clean sweep...as there should be. i think they'll make the plyoffs though it won't be a walk w/ DET in the conf and improving clubs like CLB, WPG, TOR and NYI.

edit: forgot WPG out
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM ET
I know people are generally not on board, but I really think Luongo would help solidify the position if he'd come hereon a short term deal.
- Hextall271


I'm on board for that. I'd give him 2 years.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:18 PM ET
they seem to be attempting build cohesion, imo. Refused to trade top young guys for Weber and Bernier. Hung onto their young assests by singing Streit.
- Crimsoninja


I think they would have traded a Couturier package for Weber, but the Flyers brain trust figured there would be no way the Preds would be able to match an offer sheet. Calculated risk that failed.

A lot can happen in the next 10 days to two weeks, but right now this isn't close to a playoff roster.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:18 PM ET
I think they would have traded a Couturier package for Weber, but the Flyers brain trust figured there would be no way the Preds would be able to match an offer sheet. Calculated risk that failed.

A lot can happen in the next 10 days to two weeks, but right now this isn't close to a playoff roster.

- PLindbergh31

i think they wanted Couts and Schenn
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM ET
if flyers miss the plyoffs, homer's out and they'll be a clean sweep...as there should be. i think they'll make the plyoffs though it won't be a walk w/ DET in the conf and improving clubs like CLB, WPG, TOR and NYI.
- isaiah520


Outside of the NYI, none of those teams is in the Flyers division, though, so they won;t necessarily affect their ability to make playoffs.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM ET
they seem to be attempting to build cohesion, imo. Refused to trade top young guys for Weber and Bernier. Hung onto their young assests by singing Streit.


edit: sticking with lavy seems to speak to cohesion too.. rather than having everything start over with a new system

- Crimsoninja

if they demonstrate this type of change, i'll certainly be more patient w/ them.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM ET
if flyers miss the plyoffs, homer's out and they'll be a clean sweep...as there should be. i think they'll make the plyoffs though it won't be a walk w/ DET in the conf and improving clubs like CLB, WPG, TOR and NYI.
- isaiah520


It's all about winning a Cup. Making the playoffs isn't good enough.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 25 @ 7:20 PM ET
I think they would have traded a Couturier package for Weber, but the Flyers brain trust figured there would be no way the Preds would be able to match an offer sheet. Calculated risk that failed.

A lot can happen in the next 10 days to two weeks, but right now this isn't close to a playoff roster.

- PLindbergh31

im confused.. do you want them to build cohesion with the young team... or make moves to try to accellerate the process?

i feel like no matter what you'll say they have no plan
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 7:20 PM ET
i think they wanted Couts and Schenn
- Crimsoninja


I think there is a good possibility. For Weber that's something you think long and hard about.
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