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Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:51 PM ET
No, sorry, we don't have that word here in Pyongyang.

So... if you're only keen on protecting your own personal wealth, and feel no responsibility whatsoever to your fellow citizens, then I'm assuming you'll be glad to relinquish all claims to the publicly provided services, infrastructure and protections that the rest of us seem to value.

It might be fun to build/maintain your own roads and bridges, insure your own bank deposits, inspect your own food/medicines, police your own neighborhood, defend your own interests overseas, put out your own fires, and provide for your own safety net should ill fortune, sickness or an act of god destroy/upend your life... you know, the kinds of things that come along with living in a modern day commonwealth.

And, in the event that you aren't able to do any of the above yourself, you may find that the cost of turning to private providers might actually take a bigger bite out of your wallet than the tyranny of the State ever did.

An idealized capitalist system seems like the answer to everything... until you actually stop and think about it.

- Tomahawk



ok i love you again
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:52 PM ET
That's fine, but what do you think Kimmo Timonen was slotted as when he came over? Until the guy plays a full season, which hopefully he will next season, all we have are opinions.

I just said that I think he can replace him. You saying "NUPE" doesn't make what your opinion correct -- it just means that you don't.

Time will tell, and the odds are that you might be right. But I do think that you could be wrong.

- AllInForFlyers

I like Gus a lot and he has made tremendous progress, even in the space of the last few months.

I do think he still has a ways to go.

I am excited to see him get the chance to play a full season.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:52 PM ET
don't know if someone posted this from Chris Botta:

RT @ChrisBottaNHL: Worst kind of reporting: the butt-kick out the door with details you didn't have the guts to report when guy was still w…

- isaiah520


I tweeted earlier that Miller is amazing. He's making people feel sorry for a guy getting paid $23mm to not play for their team.

That takes a lot of talent or chutzpah
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:52 PM ET
That forward corp is depressing. Rosehill on the 3rd line and no choice but to play Akeson and to have Mcginn in the top 6? Glad we didn't go that route.
- JAKEw1234


I think that was the idea. Plug in the worst possible names to make it look like trading schenn and coots would destroy our team.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
If one Erik Gustafsson can't replace Kimmo Timonen, how about two?

http://www.eliteprospects...m/player.php?player=15372

(Oilers prospect, puck-moving dman, would make a great Gus-Gus tandem)

- Tomahawk

wow that is crazy
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
No, sorry, we don't have that word here in Pyongyang.

So... if you're only keen on protecting your own personal wealth, and feel no responsibility whatsoever to your fellow citizens, then I'm assuming you'll be glad to relinquish all claims to the publicly provided services, infrastructure and protections that the rest of us seem to value.

It might be fun to build/maintain your own roads and bridges, insure your own bank deposits, inspect your own food/medicines, police your own neighborhood, defend your own interests overseas, put out your own fires, and provide for your own safety net should ill fortune, sickness or an act of god destroy/upend your life... you know, the kinds of things that come along with living in a modern day commonwealth.

And, in the event that you aren't able to do any of the above yourself, you may find that the cost of turning to private providers might actually take a bigger bite out of your wallet than the tyranny of the State ever did.

An idealized capitalist system seems like the answer to everything... until you actually stop and think about it.

- Tomahawk


Oh I don't mind paying my share to provide basic needs. My issue is when the IRS spends 200 million on a week of conferences in Vegas. Or NPR spends 220 million in a state of the art new building in DC. When the government gives 1 billion to Pakistan. When I see people that win the lottery still getting food stamps.

I have to work 4 months before I start to keep what I have earned. Big government only exists to inflate it's own pockets. Wellfare is how all large democratic governements have fallen. Why work when the governement will give it to me.... Come on.

You can call me cold, or heartless, but Winston Churchhill said it the best...

"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
ok i love you again
- Don'tForgetTocchet

agreed. that was good
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
I hope that Laviolette larned form last year. I hope Holmgren and Snider learn from sending those checks to Bryz every year.
- Jsaquella



direct deposit allows the mind to wander
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
Agreed, they threw the bank at him, failed, and Nashville saved them from themselves.

Again...Awesome player but that's pretty irrelevant when you field 2.5 AHL lines in from of him....Can't play all 60 mins either

- Hype97


We obviously faired much better without him, huh?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 25 @ 4:54 PM ET
If one Erik Gustafsson can't replace Kimmo Timonen, how about two?

http://www.eliteprospects...m/player.php?player=15372

(Oilers prospect, puck-moving dman, would make a great Gus-Gus tandem)

- Tomahawk


That would be tremendous to pick him up, if only to pair him with our existing Gus and make Jim Jackson's head explode as he tries to describe play between the two Gus'.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:55 PM ET
Actually, most people rave about his hockey sense...it's the most lauded asset he has, besides the shot.
- Jsaquella


Yeah? Okay, well that's good news.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:56 PM ET
We obviously faired much better without him, huh?
- Flyersgod



love a good fun fair
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:57 PM ET
No, sorry, we don't have that word here in Pyongyang.

So... if you're only keen on protecting your own personal wealth, and feel no responsibility whatsoever to your fellow citizens, then I'm assuming you'll be glad to relinquish all claims to the publicly provided services, infrastructure and protections that the rest of us seem to value.

It might be fun to build/maintain your own roads and bridges, insure your own bank deposits, inspect your own food/medicines, police your own neighborhood, defend your own interests overseas, put out your own fires, and provide for your own safety net should ill fortune, sickness or an act of god destroy/upend your life... you know, the kinds of things that come along with living in a modern day commonwealth.

And, in the event that you aren't able to do any of the above yourself, you may find that the cost of turning to private providers might actually take a bigger bite out of your wallet than the tyranny of the State ever did.

An idealized capitalist system seems like the answer to everything... until you actually stop and think about it.

- Tomahawk


Please keep this garbage off the boards.
Hype97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mt. Holly, NJ
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:58 PM ET
We obviously faired much better without him, huh?
- Flyersgod


Well considering the Forward core we would have WITH him I'd venture to say you'd be right about where you are now. Except we'd be complaining about no goal scoring and not bad D.

If they had traded away everything they would have a similar situation to Nashville now but with a worse goalie and slightly better offense. How'd this season go for them?

Don't understand why you think Shae Weber fills a need you had before AND the one's your trade would create.

Weber via offer sheet=Perfect fit

Weber via your best prospects and two future picks= Not so much
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 25 @ 4:59 PM ET
direct deposit allows the mind to wander
- Don'tForgetTocchet

It also saves trees, and sometimes shipping costs (that is, unless you have 'that guy' who insists on paper checks still)
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:59 PM ET
Please keep this garbage off the boards.
- Flyersgod

Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:00 PM ET
love a good fun fair
- Don'tForgetTocchet


I love fairs... as long as they're somewhat clean.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:01 PM ET
Hiller
Sbisa
Bobby Ryan
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1st
Coots/Laughton
Coburn/Mez
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:02 PM ET
Well considering the Forward core we would have WITH him I'd venture to say you'd be right about where you are now. Except we'd be complaining about no goal scoring and not bad D.

If they had traded away everything they would have a similar situation to Nashville now but with a worse goalie and slightly better offense. How'd this season go for them?

Don't understand why you think Shae Weber fills a need you had before AND the one's your trade would create.

Weber via offer sheet=Perfect fit

Weber via your best prospects and two future picks= Not so much

- Hype97


I look at it this way... How are we going to resign Voracek, ,Read, Giroux, Schenn, Coots, Laughton etc...

It's a moot point anyway. Lets not drag it out and drag down the board.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:03 PM ET
Because, you know, only liberal lawmakers spend wildly and frivolously... ever heard of the Iraq War?

The answer is to hold our elected officials accountable, neuter lobbyist and make government processes as transparent as possible... not turn America into a capitalist plutocracy.

- Tomahawk


Republicans and Democrats are the same to me. It's about expanding power of the gov't for them.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:03 PM ET
The Savior

Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:03 PM ET
Hiller
Sbisa
Bobby Ryan
-
1st
Coots/Laughton
Coburn/Mez

- Winning


Where do I sign?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 25 @ 5:04 PM ET
I look at it this way... How are we going to resign Voracek, ,Read, Giroux, Schenn, Coots, Laughton etc...

It's a moot point anyway. Lets not drag it out and drag down the board.

- Flyersgod


Laughton is so far down the road. Schenn and Coots still have 4 or 5 years until UFA. Voracek is already signed at a nice contract. Also factor in the rise of the cap which will occur.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 5:04 PM ET
The Savior


- ob18



I didn't know that Luongo was a Halifax Moosehead.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 25 @ 5:05 PM ET
I tweeted earlier that Miller is amazing. He's making people feel sorry for a guy getting paid $23mm to not play for their team.

That takes a lot of talent or chutzpah

- Jsaquella

he got something wrong in a twitter xchange a few mos ago and i was really being diplomatic about it. he wouldn't own up to his mistake and he was rude to say the least- very unprofessional.
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