Hossa already got two cups with them and still has something like 7-8 years left in his contract.
If you ask me, I'd probably would take his contract ($5,275) if that meant a couple more championships for us in the next 6 years. - Orpik44
If Hossa retires before is contract ends, it will be a huge cap penalty on Chicago (new cba rules). There was talk of possibly trading him or buying him out so they can avoid that. Hossa would have to play til he's 43, which isn't impossible, but a little unlikely.
Subban is a UFA after next season, and after how dicey his last negotiations went, not sure if Montreal thinks they can keep him.
Plus, would you rather have Letang or Subban at $7 million? I'd take Letang everyday. - rival22
Subban looks to still be RFA according to capgeek. He's developing much more of an all-around game and is really maturing into a leader for the Habs. Honestly, it's a toss up who I would rather have at $7 million.
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Jun 25 @ 12:03 PM ET
If Hossa retires before is contract ends, it will be a huge cap penalty on Chicago (new cba rules). There was talk of possibly trading him or buying him out so they can avoid that. Hossa would have to play til he's 43, which isn't impossible, but a little unlikely.
I don't even think a trade saves them. If a player like Hossa, B Richards, or Bryzgalov is traded now* (that is, after the lockout), the original signing team suffers the cap recapture, if I understand correctly. Feel free to call bias on this one (it certainly factors in), but I agree with the article in that I dislike the league punishing teams for contracts the league itself approved.
*As opposed to Mike Richards and Jeff Carter, who are not a cap recapture risk for the Flyers as they were traded prior to the lockout.
EDIT: Looking at capgeek, it's not exactly that the original team suffers the cap recapture, but specifically whichever team enjoyed cap benefits. So I'm sort of right, but not really.
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY Joined: 02.27.2007
Jun 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
Subban looks to still be RFA according to capgeek. He's developing much more of an all-around game and is really maturing into a leader for the Habs. Honestly, it's a toss up who I would rather have at $7 million. - Deadstar
You are right, RFA.... But that could be messy as well. If he went to arbitration, he'd get a big number.
I don't even think a trade saves them. If a player like Hossa, B Richards, or Bryzgalov is traded now* (that is, after the lockout), the original signing team suffers the cap recapture, if I understand correctly. Feel free to call bias on this one (it certainly factors in), but I agree with the article in that I dislike the league punishing teams for contracts the league itself approved.
*As opposed to Mike Richards and Jeff Carter, who are not a cap recapture risk for the Flyers as they were traded prior to the lockout. - BulliesPhan87
Oh I didn't know it stuck with the original team that signed them. But it is pretty stupid that they punish these teams AFTER they approve it and It was during the old cba. It's like saying, I texted and drove 2 years ago, and now since it just became a law last year that we cant do that (in IL) I'm getting a ticket for it now.
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY Joined: 02.27.2007
Jun 25 @ 12:10 PM ET
If Hossa retires before is contract ends, it will be a huge cap penalty on Chicago (new cba rules). There was talk of possibly trading him or buying him out so they can avoid that. Hossa would have to play til he's 43, which isn't impossible, but a little unlikely.
Gotta wonder how big of a deal that recapture will actually be.... Most of these deals it applies to go into the next CBA. Who knows what the rule will be then?
I don't even think a trade saves them. If a player like Hossa, B Richards, or Bryzgalov is traded now* (that is, after the lockout), the original signing team suffers the cap recapture, if I understand correctly. Feel free to call bias on this one (it certainly factors in), but I agree with the article in that I dislike the league punishing teams for contracts the league itself approved.
*As opposed to Mike Richards and Jeff Carter, who are not a cap recapture risk for the Flyers as they were traded prior to the lockout.
EDIT: Looking at capgeek, it's not exactly that the original team suffers the cap recapture, but specifically whichever team enjoyed cap benefits. So I'm sort of right, but not really. - BulliesPhan87
Missed your edit, so is it the team that has him the longest on their cap payroll?
- i think shero is dragging out the letang talks for the sole reason of timing. If he extends an offer to letang now and letang rejects it then the whole league knows shero needs to trade him. either because letang wants to leave to seek more money or the pens can't afford him, thus it would put a lower return on what we'd get for him in a trade. If they negotiate and tender him an offer closer to the draft or trade deadline then at least they can turn around and flip him for a deal they have been feeling around for the whole time.
i mean if we sign him for 6.5 a year at whatever length....do it right? that extension wouldn't start until 2014-2015 when most people believe the cap will go up to $70million....we only have $34 million tied up that year... cap goes up 6 million and letang gets a 3 million raise...thats more than doable.
- i think fleury gets this next year to rebound. if he doesn't show any kind of mental improvement then one of our buyouts gets used on him next year. though the goalie market for next year doesn't look any better than this year. potential trade targets or ufa's: halak, elliott, lindback, fasth, miller, hiller....? ehh
- with TK. really its a matter i think of establishing a price tag for other teams. if someone swoops in and offer sheets him i say you let him go and grab whatever pick you get in return. more than likely what you'd get in a trade for his rights anyway. plus it pushings off your impending decision on guys like cooke, dupes and letang. so at least you have an offer you qualified or you can go an match if all three of those guys leave.
if TK goes and cooke and dupes stay then does a line up more or less like this look good?
- i think the bigger mess to sort out and the area that'll probably see the biggest movement is your 4th, 5th and 6th defense. is orpik getting too old for top line shutdown minutes?
