I disagree.

He has his fans, and he has those who don't see him as a top guy.


I don't.
- robin_steele264

There are 30 teams in the NHL...which means 60 top pairing dman.
Are you saying that there are at least 60 guys better then Phaneuf?

I disagree.

He has his fans, and he has those who don't see him as a top guy.


I don't.
- robin_steele264

And you're obviously allowed to continue being wrong.

I disagree.

He has his fans, and he has those who don't see him as a top guy.


I don't.
- robin_steele264

Same with Mats Sundin.

http://www.legendsofhocke...r&mem=P201204&list=ByName

We get it, Robin.

You hate Toronto. You hate all things Toronto. Toronto sucks.

Even when Toronto is helping to pay for your health care.

But Toronto sucks. All of it.

Ummmmm, could it be because he plays in Toronto, the black hole of hockey positivity?

That every single thing the Leafs do is reported on by 47 reporters?

That you have career douchebags like Simmons and Cox who need to demonstrate their superior hockey IQ by being contrarians on every subject?

Here's another little fact for you to chew on: of the top ten scoring defencemen in the NHL, Dion Phanuef averaged the most PK time.

10th in the league in scoring.

18th in the league in PKTOI/G

Sooo.....your argument that he isn't good offensively sucks.

And your argument that he isn't good defensively sucks.

You have been weighed, measured and found wanting.
- Atomic Wedgie

Same deal in Calgary.

He was traded for a reason

I disagree.

He has his fans, and he has those who don't see him as a top guy.


I don't.
- robin_steele264

who's your top guy then, lets hear it - this is goona be rich!

just the way i worded it, he is not a #1 on every team.

he is our #1 by far though, and id say on a good chunk of teams he would be on the top pairing...
- big_dion

There isn't a single team in the league where he wouldn't be top pairing.

Not a single team in the league.

Same deal in Calgary.

He was traded for a reason
- robin_steele264

yeah - so was gretzky, whats your point?

Two major problems with Dion that can be corrected, one is he has trouble pivoting and gets beat on the outside, has to work with skating coach, two is he waits for the play to come to him or just stands there instead of angling or forcing a player to give up the puck like the best d-men do.
- LeafMan

he'll be to busy trying to make babies with his future wife..
so I hope he doesn't come to camp a tad heavy but it's a contract year so who knows ...

There isn't a single team in the league where he wouldn't be top pairing.

Not a single team in the league.
- Atomic Wedgie

only team i can think he MIGHT not be is Chicago. thats it.

Can't reply to you guys cause Wedgie ruined the page with his rage.

He gets beat to the outside..... Often
- robin_steele264

As Leafman said, his pivoting could use work... but in terms of forward speed, he's good...One of the few guys on the d-line last year that consistently could move the puck up with speed... without just launching it and letting the other team recover it.

Can't reply to you guys cause Wedgie ruined the page with his rage.
- robin_steele264

cat's got your tongue, we understand.

hagman, stajan, white, mayers!
- big_dion

who just won the cup!

I think the Leafs deserve a better captain/face of the franchise.



I'll leave it at that.

There isn't a single team in the league where he wouldn't be top pairing.

Not a single team in the league.
- Atomic Wedgie

thats' not true...
But on most, yes.

I think the Leafs deserve a better captain/face of the franchise.



I'll leave it at that.



- robin_steele264

ur #1 d man is smid.

id leave it at that too.

cat's got your tongue, we understand.
- big_dion

No I can't hit the reply button.

Can't reply to you guys cause Wedgie ruined the page with his rage.
- robin_steele264

I think the Leafs deserve a better captain/face of the franchise.



I'll leave it at that.



- robin_steele264

I agree with you on this...
Phaneuf should not be the Leafs captain - but that is another reason why he is under such a huge microscope. That and his salary.

If Phaneuf had an A and a 5 million dollar salary, he would be much more highly regarded.

who is better/who would you take if they were 18 knowing how they turned out.

Chara or Pronger?

ur #1 d man is smid.

id leave it at that too.
- big_dion

Dion fans often get quite agitated when he get criticized.

I normally don't bother cause most of the flack he takes comes from Leaf fans themselves.

A non-leaf fan says something and they go all 'leaf hater'

But as you all know I love the Leafs!

There isn't a single team in the league where he wouldn't be top pairing.

Not a single team in the league.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would rather have Seabrook and Keith as a #1 and 2, other than that, you can make the argument about every team in the league.

Same deal in Calgary.

He was traded for a reason
- robin_steele264

Yeah, because he demanded accountability from players, and softies like Bouwmeester didn't like it.

Talk about betting on the wrong horse.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=345780

But hey, if you want to defend Darryl Sutter's decision making, go right ahead.

who is better/who would you take if they were 18 knowing how they turned out.

Chara or Pronger?
- senstroll

Pronger

There isn't a single team in the league where he wouldn't be top pairing.

Not a single team in the league.
- Atomic Wedgie

well....except the good teams.