Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

You're obviously not aware what negociating rights are going for these days.

Trading bernier for clarksons rights is insane.

Reimer will retain his position as a number 1. Scrivens will continue to develop and be a solid backup for perennial contenders no less. Frattin will score 20 or more and be that type with speed and a good back check. And the 2nd round pick will be who knows. In 3 years everyone will look back and wonder why the Leafs traded for a goalie when they had a solid number one who was young and still improving, all the while giving up a solid two way forward with speed, and a solid and inexpensive backup. Absolutely pointless trade when the defense is still what it is.
- aminnes

So wrong.
In bernier you are getting a better technical goalie and a much better goalie at handling the puck. People will be surprised at how good and smooth bernier is.
He has the potential to be an elite starting goalie, so ethi g the leafs haven't had in many many years.

Smartest thing I've read on here all day. Goaltending depth could be a problem though
- t_leafs21

Regardless of who wins the starting job this deal was highway robbery. If someone suggested we give up Reimer for Frattin, Scrivens and a 2nd we'd tell them to flock off.

He hasn't proven a thing. So essentially you have to buy into what someone else is selling do you not? Your saying you believe in him based on what he is touted to become, I believe in Reimer based on what he has done. Your not a sheep, Bernier is a good goalie, I'm just shocked you guys think he's going to be better than Reimer because that a tiny space, as Reims is closing in on the top goalies the more he plays.
- aminnes

its not about the number of games.. go watch some bernier highlights.. focus on rebound control

its notably better..

Bernier has lots of upside and was not overly expensive. How do you not make that trade.
- Canada Cup

Bingo

Yep, Clarkson wants to be a Leaf, it has been reported. It's no gamble, plus throw in Volchenkov for good measure and a pick for taking his contract. The idead that Bernier could be more successful behind that d is perposturous. trade assets for d help.
- aminnes

Do you have a link to these reports?

at what point does he win you over?
- zazzle

reimer? when he can prove that he can still keep the puck out when people get in his kitchen.. right now he cant do that consistently enough

Why in the hell would we move Phaneuf for a decent center? We need someone to play WITH him. A center would be nice, but not at the expense of our already average D.
- markmark

cause it will cost the leafs 6.5-7 mill to resign Phaneuf

So wrong.
In bernier you are getting a better technical goalie and a much better goalie at handling the puck. People will be surprised at how good and smooth bernier is.
He has the potential to be an elite starting goalie, so ethi g the leafs haven't had in many many years.
- Fakepartofme

Not sure why you guys are debating who is better, it's irrelevant. Both are good young goalies with high ceilings and both are Leafs. It's a thing of beauty I tell ya.

That was at the end of a long grueling series. Ever play hockey?

That's where you need your goalie the most.
- t_leafs21

Actually played very good hockey thanks. point shots win playoff games. Look at game seven oil vs car, both carolina goals were point shots where the goalie was screened. That is playoff hockey, and if your defense can't get the guy outta there not much the tender can do. No one had any issue with Reimer until yesterday, now everybody is knocking him.

Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

The only thing Reimer has proven is he misses substantial portions of playing time every season. Hell I didn't even think the Gionta hit looked that bad. I have seen much worse hits result in much less.

Yep, Clarkson wants to be a Leaf, it has been reported. It's no gamble, plus throw in Volchenkov for good measure and a pick for taking his contract. The idead that Bernier could be more successful behind that d is perposturous. trade assets for d help.
- aminnes

if clarkson wants to be a leaf then why trade for him.

wait til July 5th and get him for nothing

cause it will cost the leafs 6.5-7 mill to resign Phaneuf
- zazzle

Really? man if that's what he expects let him walk

Yep, Clarkson wants to be a Leaf, it has been reported. It's no gamble, plus throw in Volchenkov for good measure and a pick for taking his contract. The idead that Bernier could be more successful behind that d is perposturous. trade assets for d help.
- aminnes

Then wait to sign him for nothing.
If you want Volchenkov work out something separate. If NJ wanted Bernier they just had to offer a better deal to LA

Phaneuf to Anaheim.

Chris Stewart, Volchenkov and Ian White will be off-season additions.

cause it will cost the leafs 6.5-7 mill to resign Phaneuf
- zazzle

How many captains are making pennies in thus league? If you dont pay him you will just be paying someone else

Reimer and Phaneuf for Nino and the 15th pick!!!

Any good rumours flying around, aside from the Colorado rumors

He hasn't proven a thing. So essentially you have to buy into what someone else is selling do you not? Your saying you believe in him based on what he is touted to become, I believe in Reimer based on what he has done. Your not a sheep, Bernier is a good goalie, I'm just shocked you guys think he's going to be better than Reimer because that a tiny space, as Reims is closing in on the top goalies the more he plays.
- aminnes

Sorry, from all the games I've seen bernier play, he is better than reimer. There's only about a 40 game difference between the two. Reimer has had one good half season, he too hasn't even played a full season.

cause it will cost the leafs 6.5-7 mill to resign Phaneuf
- zazzle

So you would be ok with Liles, Gardiner, Fraser, Franson, O'Byrne and Gunnarson as our D?

Wow...

Really? man if that's what he expects let him walk
- coolehmon41

Was there ever any doubt?

he was overpaid to begin with, and he's not the kind of guy who'll be taking less than he thinks he's worth

Good Situation. They can battle it out for #1. And, Play the hot hand.

its not about the number of games.. go watch some bernier highlights.. focus on rebound control

its notably better..
- Dozzer

Being able to carry the load and play 8 to ten games in a row at a time consistently is massive. Lots of goalies can play awesome for one or a few games, but the best guys do it over the course of many games, as Reimer proved in his rookie year. I really hope Bernier ripps it up, but this has the potential to open up a hornets nest of problems, and like I said, Bernier doesn't play behind crap d in LA, we'll see how great he is in TO.

Actually played very good hockey thanks. point shots win playoff games. Look at game seven oil vs car, both carolina goals were point shots where the goalie was screened. That is playoff hockey, and if your defense can't get the guy outta there not much the tender can do. No one had any issue with Reimer until yesterday, now everybody is knocking him.
- aminnes

He's only being knocked because everyone is offended by the trade lol

As much as I hate to say it, I think Reimer's career will be a good backup goalie or a starting goalie on a weak(ish) team.

Go through the entire league, how many jobs would Reimer steal?

if clarkson wants to be a leaf then why trade for him.

wait til July 5th and get him for nothing
- Dozzer

it solidifies his decision, if a team reaches out for you they are aknowledging your skill. Might even help with a signing price, I would say a 4th-5th rounder is worth that.