Yes, counts against he CAP.

VAN refuses to retain salary, which is main reason Lu wasn't traded at the deadline. They can't afford to either, they don't have the cap space. They need to literally give him away for nothing.

I don't know what the limits are honestly... would assume it's a percentage of the player's salary
- Big_Lightnin

Not sure there is a $ limit, I only caught part of the conversation while I was driving but I think I heard Nonis state each team can retain salary on up to 3 players max at any given time. Seems to me since it counts against the cap then $ discretion may be up to the team - just a guess on that part.

I dont like giving up the second, and I thought Frattin had some potential, but I don't mind the deal. Bernier is unproven, but a lot of people seem to feel he has star potential.

It also means Reimer might be moved and his stats would warrant an significant asset in return... not a superstar or anything, but something significant.
- Aetherial

I think by next Christmas we are all going to (frank)ing love this trade.

just having some fun on Capgeek making up the Leafs roster, some various signings with names getting tossed around. I've come to the conclusion that Nonis is probably the busiest guy in the league... he's going to have to work some real magic to fill the roster with quality players and leave room for next season... how much is the cap going up by for 14/15?

Huge upgrade? Based on what? Dude maybe I can respect your opinion but man HUGE upgrade?
- honesthockey

Lets forget about what each goalie has accomplished thus far because they are in two very differnt situations.

Just based on talent alone, Bernier was an 11th overall pick. Riemer got called to the NHL as an emergancy injury replacement.

From a scouting report, Bernier gets compared to some big names. Reimer gets labeled with a bad glove hand and terrible rebound control.

One is a premier talent capable of being a franchise player.

The other one has a hot wife and is kind of an annoying Jesus Freak.

Lets forget about what each goalie has accomplished thus far because they are in two very differnt situations.

Just based on talent alone, Bernier was an 11th overall pick. Riemer got called to the NHL as an emergancy injury replacement.

From a scouting report, Bernier gets compared to some big names. Reimer gets labeled with a bad glove hand and terrible rebound control.

One is a premier talent capable of being a franchise player.

The other one has a hot wife and is kind of an annoying Jesus Freak.
- Jimmy_Tea

So basically he was drafted higher therefor he's better?

Lets forget about what each goalie has accomplished thus far because they are in two very differnt situations.

Just based on talent alone, Bernier was an 11th overall pick. Riemer got called to the NHL as an emergancy injury replacement.

From a scouting report, Bernier gets compared to some big names. Reimer gets labeled with a bad glove hand and terrible rebound control.

One is a premier talent capable of being a franchise player.

The other one has a hot wife and is kind of an annoying Jesus Freak.
- Jimmy_Tea

Bernier is unproven to a much greater extent than Reimer. This is absolutely true.

My only problem with it is giving up assets for a position that wasn't really a main problem. They could have been used elsewhere.
- honesthockey

It could still be used to upgrade up front. The goalie market isn't really pulling in marque players right now though.

My only problem with it is giving up assets for a position that wasn't really a main problem. They could have been used elsewhere.
- honesthockey

Valid points but I would argue that Scrivens and Frattin wouldn't get you a top 4 dman or a top 6 centre. Those to me are what the leafs need, although I don't watch the team as much as you guys.

No.
- UsernameUnknown

I wouldnt expect you to. Youre kind of an example of who im talking about when I say "Certain kinds of poorly informed Leafs fans embarrass us all and make me sick"

Let me guess, you think Dion makes too much money, Bozak is replaceable and that the Bernier trade was pretty dumb. You also would buy out Grabovski, you think Frasor is a good NHL player and I bet you think Gunnerson is decent top pairing defenceman and you hate the Kessel trade.

just having some fun on Capgeek making up the Leafs roster, some various signings with names getting tossed around. I've come to the conclusion that Nonis is probably the busiest guy in the league... he's going to have to work some real magic to fill the roster with quality players and leave room for next season... how much is the cap going up by for 14/15?
- Boosinicka

don't think anybody knows that yet- tied to revenue...

I wouldnt expect you to. Youre kind of an example of who im talking about when I say "Certain kinds of poorly informed Leafs fans embarrass us all and make me sick"

Let me guess, you think Dion makes too much money, Bozak is replaceable and that the Bernier trade was pretty dumb. You also would buy out Grabovski, you think Frasor is a good NHL player and I bet you think Gunnerson is decent top pairing defenceman and you hate the Kessel trade.
- Jimmy_Tea

Don't ever change

How's the taps?
- Tee-Dot

Making life bearable through 20 oz glasses of golden yummyness.

Thanks for asking

Bernier is unproven to a much greater extent than Reimer. This is absolutely true.
- Aetherial

But who cares? Read the scouting reports. Every person in the world who gets paid for their opinion on hockey agrees that Bernier is a potential franchise player. No one - ever - has said that about Reimer.

Goaltending is the most important position, so you gotta try for the homerun.

just having some fun on Capgeek making up the Leafs roster, some various signings with names getting tossed around. I've come to the conclusion that Nonis is probably the busiest guy in the league... he's going to have to work some real magic to fill the roster with quality players and leave room for next season... how much is the cap going up by for 14/15?
- Boosinicka

That's why keeping draft picks and maintaining an AHL affiliate with some respectable talent is so important. Fill in the holes with servicable plugs, like a Hamilton. Look at McClements salary vs his worth to the Leafs. Gotta find or develop those gems.

Valid points but I would argue that Scrivens and Frattin wouldn't get you a top 4 dman or a top 6 centre. Those to me are what the leafs need, although I don't watch the team as much as you guys.
- ystoil

#1C or a power forward. Another 2C is of no use, already have 2 (3 last year).

top 4 D is absolute necessity.

Valid points but I would argue that Scrivens and Frattin wouldn't get you a top 4 dman or a top 6 centre. Those to me are what the leafs need, although I don't watch the team as much as you guys.
- ystoil

Agreed but add in a player and it changes the scenario. Let's say a Grabovski.

Bernier is unproven to a much greater extent than Reimer. This is absolutely true.
- Aetherial

but he's more proven than Scrivens, and a big upgrade there.

But who cares? Read the scouting reports. Every person in the world who gets paid for their opinion on hockey agrees that Bernier is a potential franchise player. No one - ever - has said that about Reimer.

Goaltending is the most important position, so you gotta try for the homerun.
- Jimmy_Tea

Now that makes sense. Still a risk though. I'll stick to the assets could have been used in another position.

Valid points but I would argue that Scrivens and Frattin wouldn't get you a top 4 dman or a top 6 centre. Those to me are what the leafs need, although I don't watch the team as much as you guys.
- ystoil

and flip that around... Bernier or Reimer would IMO.

I wouldnt expect you to. Youre kind of an example of who im talking about when I say "Certain kinds of poorly informed Leafs fans embarrass us all and make me sick"

Let me guess, you think Dion makes too much money, Bozak is replaceable and that the Bernier trade was pretty dumb. You also would buy out Grabovski, you think Frasor is a good NHL player and I bet you think Gunnerson is decent top pairing defenceman and you hate the Kessel trade.
- Jimmy_Tea

Let me guess... Your life really isn't going the way you planed.

but he's more proven than Scrivens, and a big upgrade there.
- Big_Lightnin

Again based on scouting reports and not much else.

A rumour I heard today - at work so take that for what its worth, which should be nothing - was

HOLY poop JP ARRENCIBIA JUST THREW OUT A RUNNER!!!!!!!!!



sorry., that blew my mind

The rumour I heard was that the Leafs would trade Reimer, Grabovski and a their pick to Colorodo for Eric Johnson and Colorodos second (a downgrade of 7 spots or so)

Now that makes sense. Still a risk though. I'll stick to the assets could have been used in another position.
- honesthockey

devils advocate - Reimer and a D prospect gets a better return than what Leafs gave up for Bernier.

much better IMO.

My only problem with it is giving up assets for a position that wasn't really a main problem. They could have been used elsewhere.
- honesthockey

Reimer has proven a few things......

1) He can stop pucks
2) cant catch pucks
3) Handles the puck like a live grenade
4)capable of stealing a game
5) Injuries dating back to Jr. Hockey are a concern

I like Reimer, but.......

I wouldnt expect you to. Youre kind of an example of who im talking about when I say "Certain kinds of poorly informed Leafs fans embarrass us all and make me sick"

Let me guess, you think Dion makes too much money, Bozak is replaceable and that the Bernier trade was pretty dumb. You also would buy out Grabovski, you think Frasor is a good NHL player and I bet you think Gunnerson is decent top pairing defenceman and you hate the Kessel trade.
- Jimmy_Tea

I guess you know me better than I do.

Lets see. Out of those 7- I agree with 2.

Why you take everything so personal, I dont know. But I wish you'd knock it ff. You're embarrassing yourself.