Go for Bickel. Clarkson is overrated to the max. People complain about what Bozak will cost or what Grabbo makes but I think Jason Blake, ummm I mean David Clarkson is a bust waiting to happen. Can you say Erhoff? Can you say Ville Leino? In fact, here is a predicition you can take to the bank (well, to presidents choice banking at least) Clarkson will sign in Buffalo.

Oh, and get the new Deerhunter record, cause I think you need a good cd reccomended to you.
- Jimmy_Tea

sooo... Clarkson, who has scored 45G in the last season and a half, is overrated. But Bickel, who hasn't scored 45G in his entire career, is a sure bet?

you're awesome. Tell us more

Go for Bickel. Clarkson is overrated to the max. People complain about what Bozak will cost or what Grabbo makes but I think Jason Blake, ummm I mean David Clarkson is a bust waiting to happen. Can you say Erhoff? Can you say Ville Leino? In fact, here is a predicition you can take to the bank (well, to presidents choice banking at least) Clarkson will sign in Buffalo.

Oh, and get the new Deerhunter record, cause I think you need a good cd reccomended to you.
- Jimmy_Tea

What are you basing this on? His 30 goals? Or the 15 this year?

It could be raining gold in Toronto and someone would complain it is ruining the paint on the new park benches.

Bottom line, you improved at the position. If they are not professional enough to handle it who gets to play the most, that is unprofessionalism.

But there are a few things about Bernier that worry me.....

Entered the league in 2007-8.

Since then, he has only played 62 games and zero playoff games.

Meanwhile, Shrivens entered the league in 11/12 and played 32 games.

Is this really an upgrade that cost that much?
- Beatle_john

Ummm... did you forget the fact he was stuck behind Quick?

I'm calling Bernier for Vezina right now.
- honesthockey

Not enough.

Bernier for Vezina and a second rounder in the 2014 draft.

Agree, Clarkson is great and exactly what this team needs, but Bickell being 6(?) years the younger, I think he could possibly take the same path as Clarkson, they play fairly similar games.
- Leafland

? Bickel is 27, Clarkson is 29. Both March b-days.

sooo... Clarkson, who has scored 45G in the last season and a half, is overrated. But Bickel, who hasn't scored 45G in his entire career, is a sure bet?

you're awesome. Tell us more
- Big_Lightnin

This is what's wrong with the Internet society!

it is a HUGE upgrade. But you got it right about Toronto fans b itching. Bernier is a potential franchise player. Something Reimer and Scrivens are not. This is a massive up grade and a potential steal of a trade.

Who cares who played more games? Its an irrelevent comparison because the best goalie in the NHL for the last 120 or so games has been the guy who stole Berniers job, which is nothing to be ashamed about.
- Jimmy_Tea

Huge upgrade? Based on what? Dude maybe I can respect your opinion but man HUGE upgrade?

What a beauty goal

Go for Bickel. Clarkson is overrated to the max. People complain about what Bozak will cost or what Grabbo makes but I think Jason Blake, ummm I mean David Clarkson is a bust waiting to happen. Can you say Erhoff? Can you say Ville Leino? In fact, here is a predicition you can take to the bank (well, to presidents choice banking at least) Clarkson will sign in Buffalo.

Oh, and get the new Deerhunter record, cause I think you need a good cd reccomended to you.
- Jimmy_Tea

I do not agree, even if he doesn't score, he will definitely bring work ethic and physicality night in and night out. Something that separates him from Leino and Erhoff. I think a better comparison would be Lord Gary Roberts. Which is pretty high praise.

I don't know what the last part means. Link a song?

This is what's wrong with the Internet society!
- robin_steele264

(frank)in smartass

? Bickel is 27, Clarkson is 29. Both March b-days.
- Big_Lightnin

Strange, I was thinking Clarkson was 33....

Holy crap these guys on the hockey game broadcast are horrible.

Strange, I was thinking Clarkson was 33....
- Leafland

Holy crap I'd be screaming run Nonis run if that was the case.

This is what's wrong with the Internet society!
- robin_steele264

Bickel is the one doing exactly what Leino did - having a lights out playoff at contract time.

Not enough.

Bernier for Vezina and a second rounder in the 2014 draft.
- Atomic Wedgie

How's the taps?

Anyone else get sick of hearing which player has "proven" more?

I do because in the NHL, if you can make it, you can have a good season or two. Its all kinda flukey. There are dozens of one, two, three year wonders..so many that it makes no sense to just look at the past and project the future. Talent, age, situation all play a part. Not saying that what you did in the past doesnt matter, but it kind of doesnt.

Lets take Bickel and Clarkson.

Clarkson has proven more, i guess, even though Bickel is about to win a Stanley Cup....but I get that for the past few seasons you would have got more out of Clarkson....but.....going forard, does it matter? Bickel is not that far behind Clarkson today in terms of effectivness and he is much younger and cheaper....so, if I had to pick between them, I am going with Bickel and screw whatever Clarkson has "proved"

Just like it doesnt matter what Bernier "proved" he is a top line talent, and talent is what matters, results, until you have like a ten year sample size, mean very little.

I like this trade for the Leafs. Essentially you gave up 2 spare parts and a pick for a potential number 1 goalie. I don't really see how it is risky (as some have dubbed it) seeing as you gave up:

- a backup goalie (easily replaceable)
- a top 9, potential 20 goal scorer... key word potential that can be replaced through someone like Carter Ashton.
- 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder, no big deal

Solid pickup. I wish the Oilers could have got him.

What are you basing this on? His 30 goals? Or the 15 this year?
- honesthockey

maybe his 23G pace the year he broke his leg... or his 17G as a sophomore playing 12 mins a game...

Anyone else get sick of hearing which player has "proven" more?

I do because in the NHL, if you can make it, you can have a good season or two. Its all kinda flukey. There are dozens of one, two, three year wonders..so many that it makes no sense to just look at the past and project the future. Talent, age, situation all play a part. Not saying that what you did in the past doesnt matter, but it kind of doesnt.

Lets take Bickel and Clarkson.

Clarkson has proven more, i guess, even though Bickel is about to win a Stanley Cup....but I get that for the past few seasons you would have got more out of Clarkson....but.....going forard, does it matter? Bickel is not that far behind Clarkson today in terms of effectivness and he is much younger and cheaper....so, if I had to pick between them, I am going with Bickel and screw whatever Clarkson has "proved"

Just like it doesnt matter what Bernier "proved" he is a top line talent, and talent is what matters, results, until you have like a ten year sample size, mean very little.
- Jimmy_Tea

How in the (frank) do you mean? When has Bickell come anywhere close to 30 goals?

maybe his 23G pace the year he broke his leg... or his 17G pace as a sophomore playing 12 mins a game...
- Big_Lightnin

Kid can play and isn't afraid of the physicality of a Boston series.

I do not agree, even if he doesn't score, he will definitely bring work ethic and physicality night in and night out. Something that separates him from Leino and Erhoff. I think a better comparison would be Lord Gary Roberts. Which is pretty high praise.

I don't know what the last part means. Link a song?
- Leafland

I agree with you, except that the work ethic and physicality would be kind of expensive. I wasnt really comparing his game to those dudes either, just mentioning guys who got ridiculous contracts they can't possibly hope to live up to. I have high praise for Clarkson, just whats it gonna take to get him 5 x 7? Ill pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYUENZQ84-E

Anyone else get sick of hearing which player has "proven" more?

I do because in the NHL, if you can make it, you can have a good season or two. Its all kinda flukey. There are dozens of one, two, three year wonders..so many that it makes no sense to just look at the past and project the future. Talent, age, situation all play a part. Not saying that what you did in the past doesnt matter, but it kind of doesnt.

Lets take Bickel and Clarkson.

Clarkson has proven more, i guess, even though Bickel is about to win a Stanley Cup....but I get that for the past few seasons you would have got more out of Clarkson....but.....going forard, does it matter? Bickel is not that far behind Clarkson today in terms of effectivness and he is much younger and cheaper....so, if I had to pick between them, I am going with Bickel and screw whatever Clarkson has "proved"

Just like it doesnt matter what Bernier "proved" he is a top line talent, and talent is what matters, results, until you have like a ten year sample size, mean very little.
- Jimmy_Tea

he's only 2 yrs younger, and I don't think he'll really be that much cheaper. Somebody will give Bickel $4M I bet, or damn close. Clarkson will likely sign for $5M.

and of the 2, I find Clarkson the better overall player. Captain material in fact.

I like this trade for the Leafs. Essentially you gave up 2 spare parts and a pick for a potential number 1 goalie. I don't really see how it is risky (as some have dubbed it) seeing as you gave up:

- a backup goalie (easily replaceable)
- a top 9, potential 20 goal scorer... key word potential that can be replaced through someone like Carter Ashton.
- 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder, no big deal

Solid pickup. I wish the Oilers could have got him.
- ystoil

I dont like giving up the second, and I thought Frattin had some potential, but I don't mind the deal. Bernier is unproven, but a lot of people seem to feel he has star potential.

It also means Reimer might be moved and his stats would warrant an significant asset in return... not a superstar or anything, but something significant.

I like this trade for the Leafs. Essentially you gave up 2 spare parts and a pick for a potential number 1 goalie. I don't really see how it is risky (as some have dubbed it) seeing as you gave up:

- a backup goalie (easily replaceable)
- a top 9, potential 20 goal scorer... key word potential that can be replaced through someone like Carter Ashton.
- 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder, no big deal

Solid pickup. I wish the Oilers could have got him.
- ystoil

My only problem with it is giving up assets for a position that wasn't really a main problem. They could have been used elsewhere.

Anyone else get sick of hearing which player has "proven" more?

I do because in the NHL, if you can make it, you can have a good season or two. Its all kinda flukey. There are dozens of one, two, three year wonders..so many that it makes no sense to just look at the past and project the future. Talent, age, situation all play a part. Not saying that what you did in the past doesnt matter, but it kind of doesnt.

Lets take Bickel and Clarkson.

Clarkson has proven more, i guess, even though Bickel is about to win a Stanley Cup....but I get that for the past few seasons you would have got more out of Clarkson....but.....going forard, does it matter? Bickel is not that far behind Clarkson today in terms of effectivness and he is much younger and cheaper....so, if I had to pick between them, I am going with Bickel and screw whatever Clarkson has "proved"

Just like it doesnt matter what Bernier "proved" he is a top line talent, and talent is what matters, results, until you have like a ten year sample size, mean very little.
- Jimmy_Tea

No.