Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

You want to trade Bernier for a guy who becomes a UFA in 11 days?

No - I got your point, I was just choosing to ignore it like you chose to ignore the real point of what I was saying. Foget about my 5th round comment - I take it back (but will still secretly cling to believing it's true).

Frattin is not a high end talent that can't be replaced. Don't over value him. I like him and hope he succeeds in LA. But I think his contribution to the 2013 Leafs is pretty easily replaced.
- magmoo

Yeah, replaced by Kulemin when he gets moved to the 3rd line after we sign Clarkson lol

thats where i disagree. he hasnt proven anything to me.
- Dozzer

Yes he has.
He has proven to have a weak glove hand, rebound control problems and
terrible puck handling abilities.

Yeah, replaced by Kulemin when he gets moved to the 3rd line after we sign Clarkson lol
- t_leafs21

For a hometown discount.

also, stop implying that anyone liking bernier is just a mindless sheep buying what the club is selling.. thats insulting and i will end your day

people are allowed to have their own opinion and not be called "sheep" because it doesnt line up with yours
- Dozzer

He hasn't proven a thing. So essentially you have to buy into what someone else is selling do you not? Your saying you believe in him based on what he is touted to become, I believe in Reimer based on what he has done. Your not a sheep, Bernier is a good goalie, I'm just shocked you guys think he's going to be better than Reimer because that a tiny space, as Reims is closing in on the top goalies the more he plays.

thats where i disagree. he hasnt proven anything to me.
- Dozzer

Are you saying bernier has? Or have neither?

I think you're right...Not a bad time to sell high on Reimer. Especially if they can optain a top-4 dman or package him for a #1 centre.
- p_zub

I have to disagree with you.

There is nothing wrong with potentially having two #1 goalies. A Goalie won't play 70-75 games a season anymore. Having two really good goalies is a must in the NHL. I don't see Reimer being traded.

Reimer's 4 losses in the playoffs were:

4-1

5-2 (empty net)

4-3 (overtime loss on savable shot)

5-4 (overtime loss, 4 goals against in last 18 minutes)

James Reimer is a good young goalie asset, sure. But he also came in at the halfway point in 2010-11 when we were basically checked out and had nothing to lose.

He then got concussed and missed a lot of 11-12, never really getting himself together before being shut down at the end of the season when the playoffs were no longer a possibility.

Then, hurt his knee in a lockout shortened 12-13 season before coming back with good play. The Leafs were also playing great defensive hockey instilled by Carlyle's system, keeping many shots to the outside which is going to propel any goalies numbers.

Nonis is right, it really isn't a knock on James but were saying Bernier is unproven? How much more proven is Reimer, all he really has is a handful of pointless regular season games and this one series where he choked in the end. And we gave up assets for something we didn't need again? "Classic Leaf move." That just sounds like bias, we gave up Frattin,Scrivens and a 2nd in possibly 2015.

C'mon guys, that's f-uck all. Bernier is an 11th overall pick, was onthe junior team that won gold, albeit it on the bench behind Steve Mason and then on the bench of a cup win and a west final run. This guy has all the experience a young goalie could get, all he has to do now is be given a chance to play!
- t_leafs21

Sadly, I agree. I would love it if I were convinced that Reimer was the guy. After some pretty poopty goaltending, Reimer was the first guy to get fans (me included) excited. But there are holes in his game and Nonis is clearly not completely sold that he is a guy to get us through four rounds of play-offs. Bernier has lots of upside and was not overly expensive. How do you not make that trade.

Why in the hell would we move Phaneuf for a decent center? We need someone to play WITH him. A center would be nice, but not at the expense of our already average D.

Everything will be great in Leaf land once we give up Gardiner,Reimer +++ for Gagner.

You realize far higher means a save % in the top 5 maybe 3 in the League right.
- aminnes

the leafs gave up a ton of shots.. 80% from the outside

easy to get a good save % that way.

but when teams get in close.. reimer's lack of rebound control burns him nearly everytime

the bruins really exposed that in the last ten minutes of game 7

and now that the book is out on him.. what do you think every other club in the league is going to do?

crash the crease.

Reimer and Phaneuf to WPG
for Burmistrov and Buffggldynhn

No - I got your point, I was just choosing to ignore it like you chose to ignore the real point of what I was saying. Foget about my 5th round comment - I take it back (but will still secretly cling to believing it's true).

Frattin is not a high end talent that can't be replaced. Don't over value him. I like him and hope he succeeds in LA. But I think his contribution to the 2013 Leafs is pretty easily replaced.
- magmoo

I hear you, Frattin isn't high end, but trade for some help on D. Goaltending was finally a none issue, and now it's being fiddled with again. Seems silly.

Are you saying bernier has? Or have neither?
- aminnes

neither are proven.

i just think bernier is a better goalie. especially with rebound control.. and to me, thats hugely important

Reimer will retain his position as a number 1. Scrivens will continue to develop and be a solid backup for perennial contenders no less. Frattin will score 20 or more and be that type with speed and a good back check. And the 2nd round pick will be who knows. In 3 years everyone will look back and wonder why the Leafs traded for a goalie when they had a solid number one who was young and still improving, all the while giving up a solid two way forward with speed, and a solid and inexpensive backup. Absolutely pointless trade when the defense is still what it is.
- aminnes

In 3 years I'll be ecstatic when one of the two develop in to an elite goalie and the other one was traded away for a ton of assets

Considering it sounds like were going to sign Clarkson for nothing

Bernier, Clarkson in

Frattin,Scrivens out

If you don't think were a better them now then you should re-evaluate your life
- t_leafs21

thats where i disagree. he hasnt proven anything to me.
- Dozzer

at what point does he win you over?

Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

you want to trade Bernier..or more precisely Scrivens, Frattin and 2nd for a Free agent?


holy F

neither are proven.

i just think bernier is a better goalie. especially with rebound control.. and to me, thats hugely important
- Dozzer

I just think this trade could establish this team for the next decade. The upside of this trade destroys the low's. I just don't understand how anyone could be mad about this

Considering it sounds like were going to sign Clarkson for nothing

Bernier, Clarkson in

Frattin,Scrivens out

If you don't think were a better them now then you should re-evaluate your life
- t_leafs21

Clarkson for nothing eh.

And of course jumping the gun and assuming a guy will sign has never backfired.

Just make sure you post the line combos with him in there.

Done deal.

the leafs gave up a ton of shots.. 80% from the outside

easy to get a good save % that way.

but when teams get in close.. reimer's lack of rebound control burns him nearly everytime

the bruins really exposed that in the last ten minutes of game 7

and now that the book is out on him.. what do you think every other club in the league is going to do?

crash the crease.
- Dozzer

It's funny you say that because the 3rd and 4th goal were point shot with no d coverage in front.

I just think this trade could establish this team for the next decade. The upside of this trade destroys the low's. I just don't understand how anyone could be mad about this
- t_leafs21

I'm not mad about this trade. Just very apprehensive.

In 3 years I'll be ecstatic when one of the two develop in to an elite goalie and the other one was traded away for a ton of assets
- coolehmon41

Smartest thing I've read on here all day. Goaltending depth could be a problem though

you want to trade Bernier..or more precisely Scrivens, Frattin and 2nd for a Free agent?


holy F
- senstroll

Yep, Clarkson wants to be a Leaf, it has been reported. It's no gamble, plus throw in Volchenkov for good measure and a pick for taking his contract. The idead that Bernier could be more successful behind that d is perposturous. trade assets for d help.

It's funny you say that because the 3rd and 4th goal were point shot with no d coverage in front.
- aminnes

That was at the end of a long grueling series. Ever play hockey?

That's where you need your goalie the most. Even when you watch the highlights over, which sucks, the 2nd goal probably should have been stopped.

It sucks ripping on Reimer and I don't want to but everyones so high on him like it's disrespect. It's not disrespect, it's just business. I think Reimer would be a great backup that can give you 30 good games, taking the load off your young, great #1 goalie for the playoffs. How bout that?