and that's y I say trade him now.

there will be someone to take his place. Who, I'm not sure.
- zazzle

Um. I know Phaneuf gets a bad rep, but he is not even close to replaceable within the organization. Guy is still young too. And shipping a guy out with no replacement is a recipe for failure.

You sure he knows that? Been put on a pedestal his whole career and Don Meehan is his agent.
- robin_steele264

Would love to see him decide he wants to leave some money so they can get him a better partner

anything under $6M is a palatable number for 3-4 yrs.

I know you hate him, but the Leafs don't make the playoffs without him. period.

I think you can get much better value.
- robin_steele264

I don't disagree with that, but you also get a lesser player. I hate the huge contracts and the way they can tie you up, but Leaf fans are just terrible when they assess their own players...especially Dion. They think Franson at $4.5 is preferable to Dion at 6.5.

Also did you see reports that Gagner walked away from a 4yr 18mil contract?
- Boosinicka

nope.


but if they offered the other 1st round pick $6 mil. bet ya he's looking for 5+

You can enter the conversation and find out
- robin_steele264

that's sounds like more than I'm willing to commit.

Well what does Bozak want? I'd say Gagner has the higher value right now.
- yemrots

Agreed. Do they have the same delusional agent?

I did not see that no
- robin_steele264

read it on twitter today, can't remember who but it was a reliable source (ie, not nhlrumors, incarceratedbob, or that poop.)

and that's y I say trade him now.

there will be someone to take his place. Who, I'm not sure.
- zazzle

Based on what the Leafs have and not presuming they can acquire upgrades to their defense, I think a healthy Gunner could do wonders for Phaneuf's game. That is if Carlyle plays them together next year.

Since 2006 he's had a broken hand, a torn ligament in his ankle, another ankle injury, a concussion, a neck injury, and an MCL sprain.
- Feeling Glucky?

Right now he is day to day with hurt feelins.

No.

Kane's OT cup winner trumps that.

Plus he punches out Cabbies so that pretty cool also.
- yemrots

that was more for the "2nd best player" part...

I don't think he takes a pay cut.

but what I said was a 5yrs/$5.75 mill cap hit with a full nmc and a partial nmc (10 team no trade to)
- zazzle

that's why I think he gets the same contract he has now, 6yrs, 39mil

Um. I know Phaneuf gets a bad rep, but he is not even close to replaceable within the organization. Guy is still young too. And shipping a guy out with no replacement is a recipe for failure.
- Boosinicka

Phaneuf at 7mill or Letang at 7 mill. Which one?

what? he wants more than 4.5 per?

wow
- Dozzer

He probably doesn't, the media also thinks Kadri deserves 4.5, Frattin is a top prospect and Scrivens is a young goalie.

Based on what the Leafs have and not presuming they can acquire upgrades to their defense, I think a healthy Gunner could do wonders for Phaneuf's game. That is if Carlyle plays them together next year.
- Woderwick

Here's to hoping. If he can play steady Id be very happy with

Pha9-Gunnar
Gardiner-FA
Fraser-Franson

Well what does Bozak want? I'd say Gagner has the higher value right now.
- yemrots

Bozak vs Gagner at the same $. I know who I'm choosing.

Well what does Bozak want? I'd say Gagner has the higher value right now.
- yemrots

what bozak wants is not what he's worth tho

Nor should he. He's playing at a top 10-15 level right now and that's the going rate. I know there might be some of that Edm/Cal hatred going on (it sure seemed to in another thread), but he's earned his salary, IMO.

Is he worth Suter money? No...but if he gets $7m-7.5 he's getting market value. Defensemen like him are valued so high right now.
- djamon

People think that players get overpaid in free agency and it's a bit of a myth. To say somebody is overpaid, you have to compare them to the existing contracts, almost all of which were signed in free agency (the only exception being players on entry level deals).

Cap inflation usually levels everything out. So, yes, most free agents do get slightly overpaid in their first year or two, but that's because that inflation gets factored in.

A player getting a four or five year deal today is going to be underpaid by the end of it in most cases. Four years ago, Kessel was very expensive at 5 million per year. He's a steal today.

Based on what the Leafs have and not presuming they can acquire upgrades to their defense, I think a healthy Gunner could do wonders for Phaneuf's game. That is if Carlyle plays them together next year.
- Woderwick

I agree, we got some kids in the system that could do very well with Phaneuf as well as long as we keep him for the long haul. Reilly obviously being the main guy with his speed and puck moving ability. Percy also looks like he has the playing style to compliment and be complimented by Phaneuf's game.

what bozak wants is not what he's worth tho
- Dozzer

Amen.

Phaneuf at 7mill or Letang at 7 mill. Which one?
- zazzle

On the Leafs roster? Phaneuf. Easy.

He probably doesn't, the media also thinks Kadri deserves 4.5, Frattin is a top prospect and Scrivens is a young goalie.
- AdamFrench

a lot of people forget he will be 27 by the time the season starts

Based on what the Leafs have and not presuming they can acquire upgrades to their defense, I think a healthy Gunner could do wonders for Phaneuf's game. That is if Carlyle plays them together next year.
- Woderwick

Gunnar looked out place at time. His hip needs to be looked at.
I'm no Doctor but RnR will help but not in the long run.
as long as he's healthy ok.

Nor should he. He's playing at a top 10-15 level right now and that's the going rate. I know there might be some of that Edm/Cal hatred going on (it sure seemed to in another thread), but he's earned his salary, IMO.

Is he worth Suter money? No...but if he gets $7m-7.5 he's getting market value. Defensemen like him are valued so high right now.
- djamon

Using some really quick, subjective numbers:

Phaneuf was 11th in Norris voting this year. So let's call him the 11th best defenceman in the NHL.

The eleventh highest paid defenceman (I'm using cap hit) is Kimmo Timmonen - who has a $6 million cap hit.

what bozak wants is not what he's worth tho
- Dozzer

Oh....well carry on then.

Would love to see him decide he wants to leave some money so they can get him a better partner

anything under $6M is a palatable number for 3-4 yrs.

I know you hate him, but the Leafs don't make the playoffs without him. period.
- Big_Lightnin

Our defense without Phaneuf is a nightmare. Subtract your 25 minute per night workhorse and let Franson get chewed up by Crosby, Ovechkin, Nash, etc... yikes.