Trade Bernier to the Devils for Clarksons rights and maybe Volchenkov.
- aminnes

the leafs didnt aquire bernier just to move him

bernier will end up being the starter.. just accept it now and save yourself the anguish of a slow realization

I'm not quite sure what Bernier's feelings have to do with it.

With the exception of Trevor Kidd, no NHL backup has ever been happy sitting on the bench.

The guy who stops the puck more will get the #1 job. And that will probably change a few times in the 2013-14 season.
- Atomic Wedgie

Noodles was a happy backup

Re: previous thread... fairly serious.

Stastny is declining, and can go long stretches without putting up points.

Phaneuf was far and away our best dman this past year.

Colorado would need to add to a Stastny for Phaneuf deal to get it done. A considerable amount.

Or at least absorb a lot of Stastny's cap.
- Feeling Glucky?

Is it just me....but I'm confused about why the Leafs would trade their best overall D man for another forward.

The hype machine is in full force. Start the parade, Berniers coming.
- aminnes

he's better than reimer.. has been since junior

i would of said that even if the leafs hadnt traded for him

I haven't checked out Zettergurg, but from what I've seen of Frattin's game, I wouldn't compare him to Datsyuk or Zetterberg if we're talking skill & hockey IQ. That's entirely my own opinion though.
- magmoo

Missing the point. You implied that frattin has no value because he was drafted later. Many great and even just good or servicable players have been drafted very late. CEntral scouting is about 50/50 when you get passed the 2nd round. This will be a regrettable trade in a little while.

I think they need to move Reimer now -before the start on next season (2013-14)

It will be awkward just like when the signed CUJO and Potvin was still here.
Potvin ended moving to NYI I think.

the leafs didnt aquire bernier just to move him

bernier will end up being the starter.. just accept it now and save yourself the anguish of a slow realization
- Dozzer

Yes...he will likely play 45-50 games this year.

Bernier has star potential. I don't think Reimer does.

he's better than reimer.. has been since junior

i would of said that even if the leafs hadnt traded for him
- Dozzer

Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.

Yes...he will likely play 45-50 games this year.

Bernier has star potential. I don't think Reimer does.
- yemrots

oh bernier's ceiling is far higher..

and i agree.. i see bernier reimer doing a 50/30 split.. with bernier playing the most

Is it just me....but I'm confused about why the Leafs would trade their best overall D man for another forward.
- yemrots

Because Phaneuf is the worst defenceman in the history of the league to finish 11th in Norris Trophy voting.

He's so bad, they made him play with AHL call-ups all year.

Gotta get rid of him.

He controls the dressing room stereo. He's obviously a cancer in the room.

There is nothing bad about this situation. The Leafs get to double their odds at securing excellent #1 goaltending for the long term. Improving a team isn't a checklist. You don't put the deals you can make now aside because it's lower on your "To do" list.

If Reimer continues to hold onto his net and improve then we still win because we still have Reimer. If Reimer remains injury prone then we still have the chance for an excellent #1 goalie in Bernier. Great goaltending is such a huge part of a team getting where they want to go and now the Leafs improve their odds at having that kind of goaltending. You get to see which of Reimer or Bernier ends up being the better player and then the Leafs get to keep that better player.

This is just an effort to improve at whatever position Nonis has a deal in the works at. Reimer is a great guy and likeable, but that shouldn't hold this team back from trying to improve if they can.

Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

thats where i disagree. he hasnt proven anything to me.

WTF,

Dion for Stats?

At least give us a Dman back

I'm not quite sure what Bernier's feelings have to do with it.

With the exception of Trevor Kidd, no NHL backup has ever been happy sitting on the bench.

The guy who stops the puck more will get the #1 job. And that will probably change a few times in the 2013-14 season.
- Atomic Wedgie

Amazing

Re: previous thread... fairly serious.

Stastny is declining, and can go long stretches without putting up points.

Phaneuf was far and away our best dman this past year.

Colorado would need to add to a Stastny for Phaneuf deal to get it done. A considerable amount.

Or at least absorb a lot of Stastny's cap.
- Feeling Glucky?

I think PS would be a nice fit. He's still young and, like Grabo, he's been getting the checking line role in Colorado - so I think he can put up more points.

However, DP is just too valuable to the Leafs. How do they even consider trading him - unless they have some replacements lined up.

Yes...he will likely play 45-50 games this year.

Bernier has star potential. I don't think Reimer does.
- yemrots

Let's not go nuts, I pretty much consider it 50/50 chance either wins out long-term. I was impressed with Reimer's performance this year

Lots of guys were good in junior. Joseph wasn't drafted in the first round, man he sucked. Reimers proven. How do you know Bernier can even handle the work load. You don't. You are believing what the club is selling which is fine, but I predict this becomes a total mess. Bernier to Jersey for Clarkson. Done.
- aminnes

also, stop implying that anyone liking bernier is just a mindless sheep buying what the club is selling.. thats insulting and i will end your day

people are allowed to have their own opinion and not be called "sheep" because it doesnt line up with yours

oh bernier's ceiling is far higher..

and i agree.. i see bernier reimer doing a 50/30 split.. with bernier playing the most
- Dozzer

You realize far higher means a save % in the top 5 maybe 3 in the League right.

Because Phaneuf is the worst defenceman in the history of the league to finish 11th in Norris Trophy voting.

He's so bad, they made him play with AHL call-ups all year.

Gotta get rid of him.

He controls the dressing room stereo. He's obviously a cancer in the room.
- Atomic Wedgie

BASTARD!!!

Is it just me....but I'm confused about why the Leafs would trade their best overall D man for another forward.
- yemrots

This is what I'm saying! Our forward group can score we have no issue with that! The only way Phanuef gets traded is for a high pick and a prospect. That wouldn't happen or help us at this point. But if Edmonton offers Gagner and the 7th (which they wouldn't) for Phaneuf... how can you turn it down.

Everything going on is making me worry.

Because Phaneuf is the worst defenceman in the history of the league to finish 11th in Norris Trophy voting.

He's so bad, they made him play with AHL call-ups all year.

Gotta get rid of him.

He controls the dressing room stereo. He's obviously a cancer in the room.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm sick if his face on CBC every Saturday.


Trade him to Phoenix

Reimer's 4 losses in the playoffs were:

4-1

5-2 (empty net)

4-3 (overtime loss on savable shot)

5-4 (overtime loss, 4 goals against in last 18 minutes)

James Reimer is a good young goalie asset, sure. But he also came in at the halfway point in 2010-11 when we were basically checked out and had nothing to lose.

He then got concussed and missed a lot of 11-12, never really getting himself together before being shut down at the end of the season when the playoffs were no longer a possibility.

Then, hurt his knee in a lockout shortened 12-13 season before coming back with good play. The Leafs were also playing great defensive hockey instilled by Carlyle's system, keeping many shots to the outside which is going to propel any goalies numbers.

Nonis is right, it really isn't a knock on James but were saying Bernier is unproven? How much more proven is Reimer, all he really has is a handful of pointless regular season games and this one series where he choked in the end. And we gave up assets for something we didn't need again? "Classic Leaf move." That just sounds like bias, we gave up Frattin,Scrivens and a 2nd in possibly 2015.

C'mon guys, that's f-uck all. Bernier is an 11th overall pick, was onthe junior team that won gold, albeit it on the bench behind Steve Mason and then on the bench of a cup win and a west final run. This guy has all the experience a young goalie could get, all he has to do now is be given a chance to play!

Missing the point. You implied that frattin has no value because he was drafted later. Many great and even just good or servicable players have been drafted very late. CEntral scouting is about 50/50 when you get passed the 2nd round. This will be a regrettable trade in a little while.
- aminnes

No - I got your point, I was just choosing to ignore it like you chose to ignore the real point of what I was saying. Foget about my 5th round comment - I take it back (but will still secretly cling to believing it's true).

Frattin is not a high end talent that can't be replaced. Don't over value him. I like him and hope he succeeds in LA. But I think his contribution to the 2013 Leafs is pretty easily replaced.

i am telling you.. reimer's days are numbered
- Dozzer

I think you're right...Not a bad time to sell high on Reimer. Especially if they can optain a top-4 dman or package him for a #1 centre.

This is what I'm saying! Our forward group can score we have no issue with that! The only way Phanuef gets traded is for a high pick and a prospect. That wouldn't happen or help us at this point. But if Edmonton offers Gagner and the 7th (which they wouldn't) for Phaneuf... how can you turn it down.

Everything going on is making me worry.
- steve362

yeah, right. Like EDM would propose that

If that offer comes in, you take it and run for the hills