I hope this trade works out well but to me it has "Lindback" written all over it.
- markmark

ya cause Lindback and Bernier have roughly the same pedigree...




And Leafs gave up LESS than Tampa did

and his five hole looked really bad this year too.. so many where i thought to myself .. "why the hell isnt your stick down in front?"
- Dozzer

I argued the same thing about the stick with so many people.

Look - yes, they liked Frattin. They were asking for Frattin last summer.

But every analyst in hockey thinks this was a good trade for the Leafs. Frattin was a decent B prospect, who may or may not have cracked the lineup next season. You can guarantee me he would have.

I liked him, but losing him is not a big deal. He wasn't going to play in the top 6.
- Big_Lightnin

Hockey analysts mean nothing to me. They work for the league, and sportsnet guys work for the LEafs.

I hope this trade works out well but to me it has "Lindback" written all over it.
- markmark

Maybe..but its not like the Lindback trade was a bust, he could come back and have a good season. TB gave up 2 2nd round picks (#37 and #50).

The leafs paid a little more for Bernier

edit..i see there was more to the deal

Its the classic Leaf fan mentality, oh look at this steal, we raped the Kings Mwa ha ha! Never thinking about the fact that a championship level team felt that these assets were amenable. Nonis hasn't won anything. Lombardi has, so I look at the whole picture and say, obviously LA only makes the trade if it's good for them, they aren't morons. When Boston and Kessel couldn't strike a deal, they didn't give the guy away because they were "forced" to, they made a deal that they liked. The only dumb dumbs that gave away a player for nothing on a hold out type situation was Edmonton with Pronger.
- aminnes

no no no.

they move him or they lose him to an offer sheet.. and the offer sheet wouldnt of been big enough to get them much more than a second.

ya cause Lindback and Bernier have roughly the same pedigree...




And Leafs gave up LESS than Tampa did
- Big_Lightnin

this!

Reims was 7th in the LEague in Sv %, Bernier's "miles higher ceiling" is what, Vezina? Top 3, are we really putting him in that category?
- aminnes

Again though...only 33 games for Reimer to get that sv%.

Not trying to knock Reimer down for the sake of propping Bernier. But I've been a big Bernier fan since he was drafted. Wasted 4 years in a row of draft picks in my hockey pool hoping the he would over-take Quick as the #1...but Quick was too ridiculous for it to happen.

I hate saying this, but in this case I don't think it's so much about sv% now. It's about rebound control, controlling the puck and landing a consistent goalie.

The way I see it, they have two above average goalies with the potential to both be stars and one with the scouting report potential to be a franchise goalie. If they both work out, GREAT trade one for even more than what the leafs paid for Bernier. If one falters, GREAT they have the other guy. If they both falter....F***!!!!!!

Its the classic Leaf fan mentality, oh look at this steal, we raped the Kings Mwa ha ha! Never thinking about the fact that a championship level team felt that these assets were amenable. Nonis hasn't won anything. Lombardi has, so I look at the whole picture and say, obviously LA only makes the trade if it's good for them, they aren't morons. When Boston and Kessel couldn't strike a deal, they didn't give the guy away because they were "forced" to, they made a deal that they liked. The only dumb dumbs that gave away a player for nothing on a hold out type situation was Edmonton with Pronger.
- aminnes

it has nothing to do with being 'a steal'.
it's about solidifying an extremely important position and raising the potential level.

I argued the same thing about the stick with so many people.
- Fakepartofme

it caught my attention

brutal stick this year

Sad really. I had dinner with Larry Robinson, he made $175,000 including his bonus for the Noris in 1984 I believe. Wow.
- bixll

Just crazy...now the worst players in the league make 4-5x that amount.

Agree, Frattin will be easily replaced by Clarkson or Heatley
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Heatley is injured - he can't be a compliance buyout.

Hey guys,

Is there any chance Percy can play 5th/6th Dman next year? I'm working on a scenario that requires a bottom pair defenceman earning about $15 an hour.
- walshyleafsfan

I think the guy you may be looking for is Wade Redden or Mike Komisarek (post buyout).

I depends entirely whether you want a guy who's crap on the ice and good in the room. or you just want a guy who can play 7-10 minutes a game and account for only 2 or 3 goals against?

no no no.

they move him or they lose him to an offer sheet.. and the offer sheet wouldnt of been big enough to get them much more than a second.
- Dozzer

Assumption. you have no idea if they could have moved him elsewhere or what.

Its the classic Leaf fan mentality, oh look at this steal, we raped the Kings Mwa ha ha! Never thinking about the fact that a championship level team felt that these assets were amenable. Nonis hasn't won anything. Lombardi has, so I look at the whole picture and say, obviously LA only makes the trade if it's good for them, they aren't morons. When Boston and Kessel couldn't strike a deal, they didn't give the guy away because they were "forced" to, they made a deal that they liked. The only dumb dumbs that gave away a player for nothing on a hold out type situation was Edmonton with Pronger.
- aminnes

Who said raped? Deal works for both sides. Kings get a decent, very cheap winger which is important to them given their difficult cap situation. Leafs get a goalie with lots of upside.

Time to take off the paper bag -- there may be air circulation problems

you guys are so jaded as fans lol
- Dozzer

I'm honestly stunned at this. This is a clear win for the Leafs. It isn't even close.
I just don't get it.

absolute worse case scenario they got a BETTER backup than Scrivens, and all it cost was a player who wasn't guaranteed to even make the team next year in Frattin, and a conditional 2nd rounder.

Heatley is injured - he can't be a compliance buyout.
- Atomic Wedgie

well he does play for the "Wild", and it is kinda out west...

perhaps they will just shoot him and put him out of his (and their) misery?

At the expense of your guy, that got you where you are? After telling him you believe in him and are going to bring in a vet? wasted assets, D still bad, Bernier and this D is zero improvement.
- aminnes

I don't think Scrivens, Frattin and a 2nd get you a very good dman. They get you a goaltender that is a RFA that you need to trade and that you promised you would trade.

I think the guy you may be looking for is Wade Redden or Mike Komisarek (post buyout).

I depends entirely whether you want a guy who's crap on the ice and good in the room. or you just want a guy who can play 7-10 minutes a game and account for only 2 or 3 goals against?
- BorjeFan4Ever

If we buy out Komi, we can't get him back for a year.

CBA forbids it.

ya cause Lindback and Bernier have roughly the same pedigree...




And Leafs gave up LESS than Tampa did
- Big_Lightnin

A potential-star goalie "trapped" behind a star goalie.

I think its a fine trade, assuming Bernier lives up to the hype. Otherwise, we gave up two assets that we knew what we had in them for the most part for a ?.

What else is col sending then?
- burn

I don't know, but I hope she is HOT!

Heatley is injured - he can't be a compliance buyout.
- Atomic Wedgie

Didnt know that.... Clarkson, Morrow, Clowe, Cleary even Ryder would all work.

If we buy out Komi, we can't get him back for a year.

CBA forbids it.
- Atomic Wedgie

So does his mother. Who is a Leaf fan

Phaneuf is not going anywhere IMO. The reports are a distraction so they can deal for another Dman. Nobody wants to deal a high level Dman to Toronto if they think they are going to partner with Dion. If everyone thinks Nonis is looking for a replacement for Dion the price could go down and more ears could be opened.

Reimer will most likely be dealt.

Gardiner is an elite talent who actually scared the Bruins every time he touched the puck. The kid has vision to skate the entire ice. I'm not comparing him to Bobby Orr or Coffey, but I think he will be a future hall of famer.

I'm all for trading our first rounder in this draft for someone who can help now. Grabo and a 1st, along with a young D prospect not named Reilly or Gardiner for Stasny is the most I would pay.

Do you think we have inmproved in net with this trade? Is Bernier better than Scrivens?
- Canada Cup

I think LA's system does help minimize goalie weakness. If they get Scuderi signed,they have Doughty, Voynov, Greene, Regher, possibly Mitchell back. Scrivens is going to be fine. He is not Bernier in any way shape or form, but he seems to be a serviceable back up, that the Kings are paying only 62K for. :-)

That said Kings do not make the playoff's this year without Bernier. And truth of the matter is Kings lost 2 significant parts the defense, and had to make some significant adjustments. Muzzin was a rooke, Voynov was in year 2 of his NHL career, and the Kings put guys out there like Ellerby & Drewiske.

Bernier's numbers this year are absolutely legit, and based mostly on his ability and not so much on the King system, as could be argued in past seasons.

Assumption. you have no idea if they could have moved him elsewhere or what.
- aminnes

And there was a promise to keep. Lombardi, true to his word, told Bernier a year ago that he’d deal him either at the trade deadline or before the draft, a promise he reiterated at the player-exit meetings a few weeks ago, providing he could find a deal that made sense for the Kings.
-Pierre Lebrun article

Draft is this weekend. This was the best offer and it put it to rest.