I'm pretty sure it was you who I was laughing at a few days ago - because you had the audicity to suggest that the Leafs could get Bernier for a package of junk including Frattin and Scrivens.

So if it was you, please consider this my apology.

I find it hard to believe that other teams couldn't put together a better package, although apparently Hextall was really high on Frattin.

Or high on something, evidentally...
- Atomic Wedgie

JD. Jim Beam, Captain morgan or some glennfiddich ...

Isn't that kinda the same as their previous team couldn't afford to keep them?

But yes.
- Juice

Sad really. I had dinner with Larry Robinson, he made $175,000 including his bonus for the Noris in 1984 I believe. Wow.

They already did. People on here forget how Scrivens held the fort down when Reims was hurt. He's a up and coming guy too, and we have no idea how good he is, and a stupid cup winning GM could have kept his better backup in Bernier and didn't.
- aminnes

Dude Scrivens is not a good goalie. He's a good save maker but doesn't read the game well and can't make a key save to keep the team in the game.

i didnt say he wasnt tradable.. i said the leafs prolly arent looking into trading him
- Dozzer

I was arguing both your side and the Clarkson, Volchenkov side. Devil's Advocate if you will. Both of you are right and anything is possible, although your point holds strong merit.

What could this opinion possibly be based on?

His TOI/G has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

His actual deployment has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

He got no PK time.

He got limited PP time.

After a quick start, he really, really stagnated.

How could you possibly suggest he is better than a 3rd liner right now?
- Atomic Wedgie

He's an asset used in a trade that can likely be found again. I mean he's a 25 year old with 82 NHL games under his belt. Good hockey player, great shot, but I'm not going to cry about giving up a guy who peaks as a 40 point player for a goalie who will likely help our team get more wins (working with Reimer). And besides, there will always be a market for goaltenders, even when they suck ass.

What does that mean?
- Canada Cup

It means, just like Carlyle said early in the season he plays better with less than 25 mins of Icetime. they need a solid top 4 that can eat 40-45 mins and a solid bottom paring that can log the remaining mins, rather than putting him in a position he can't handle.

Hey guys,

Is there any chance Percy can play 5th/6th Dman next year? I'm working on a scenario that requires a bottom pair defenceman earning about $15 an hour.

OK, now I'm confused.

I thought we were talking about Frattin.

Who are we talking about?
- Atomic Wedgie

Stastny

i missed it then

good call for him i think
- Dozzer

Hard one no doubt. I'm sure he doesn't really want to call an end to it, and he could probably still play (albeit not at the level he used to) but its just too risky with so many concussions already piled up.

He made a good deal of $ and won a cup. He shouldn't feel like he's missing anything.

Dude Scrivens is not a good goalie. He's a good save maker but doesn't read the game well and can't make a key save to keep the team in the game.
- coolehmon41

So why is he backing up on a contender?

there is no such thing as a 'glut' of talented young, reasonably priced goaltenders in the system who could both end up being number ones.
this could be the best 'problem' the Leafs have had in a decade.

They already did. People on here forget how Scrivens held the fort down when Reims was hurt. He's a up and coming guy too, and we have no idea how good he is, and a stupid cup winning GM could have kept his better backup in Bernier and didn't.
- aminnes

I was nervous as all hell whenever scrivens was in goal......I liked him, but I never trusted him.

So why is he backing up on a contender?
- aminnes

Quick is like Marty, he will play 75 games per.

It's just not the way to treat a guy I'de say. Reims earned it, and they trade for a guy who has sais publicly he has no interest in backing up, i other words, they traded for a guy who is going to try and run Reimer out of town, not a good move, especially after all the veteran backup talk the last 3 months.
- aminnes

I'm as big a Reimer fan as you'll find out there... but the Leafs can't afford to put the players feelings ahead of the club's progression... they done in the past and it resulted in such stellar memories as the Muskoka Five, Domi being resigned when he should have retired, multiple NTCs being handed out, and generally overvaluing of assets.

Reimer will get his chance to continue as the #1 in Toronto, but really would have been the case had they brought Luongo in for example, Reimer slips up once, has one bad game and Luongo "gets" the net given to him.

Bernier is an upgrade over Scrivens - period. There's no goaltending controversy, Bernier hasn't proven anything at the NHL level, and he hasn't played behind the Leafs AHL defense. Reimer has.

I was nervous as all hell whenever scrivens was in goal......I liked him, but I never trusted him.
- mykokes

He did the job though, and the contending Kings are rolling with him if Quick gets hurt.

there is no such thing as a 'glut' of talented young, reasonably priced goaltenders in the system who could both end up being number ones.
this could be the best 'problem' the Leafs have had in a decade.
- Barx

exactly.

It means, just like Carlyle said early in the season he plays better with less than 25 mins of Icetime. they need a solid top 4 that can eat 40-45 mins and a solid bottom paring that can log the remaining mins, rather than putting him in a position he can't handle.
- aminnes

OK -- I think most here agree that another top D to play with/cut down minutes for Dion is a good thing

So why is he backing up on a contender?
- aminnes

because he's affordable and will only play a handful of games

Quick is like Marty, he will play 75 games per.
- bixll

They still know he could get injured. If you have Bernier you have insurance no? So they obviously believe Scrivens can play well enough if called upon, just like he did in TO.

I would put Dion among the top 40 d-men in the league (possibly top 20), so imo he's a top pairing d-man, the problem is we don't or didn't have someone to play top pairing with him. I see his blunders, but I also see a lot of poop that he does that goes unnoticed, especially on the PK. Having him on the Leafs is a good thing imo.

Franson improved by leaps and bounds this season, I think he might be a solution on that top pairing going forward, as long as he doesn't become complacent.
- mykokes

Top 20-25 is a safe argument. I say argument because he's so easily up and down. He'll go stretches when he's clearly not a top dman and then suddenly 10 games later you realize he's played awesome and merits the discussion.

I didn't like Franson after the 2011-2012 season...seemed like he felt like he should have a spot even though he hadn't earned it. He even kind of admitted that he didn't have his heart as into it as he should've. But yes, he grew leaps and bounds this season, was awesome to watch him get better and better.


Thanks Brett Lebda!!!

Isn't that kinda the same as their previous team couldn't afford to keep them?

But yes.
- Juice

So #3 is getting 100mill next year?

He did the job though, and the contending Kings are rolling with him if Quick gets hurt.
- aminnes

I highly doubt that. He's backing up Quick and likely getting 12 games in.

Dude Scrivens is not a good goalie. He's a good save maker but doesn't read the game well and can't make a key save to keep the team in the game.
- coolehmon41

don't start ripping Scrivens now that he's been dealt.

he was thrown in when Reimer when down, at the peak of the Leafs AHL defense experiment - and he did pretty well.

They still know he could get injured. If you have Bernier you have insurance no? So they obviously believe Scrivens can play well enough if called upon, just like he did in TO.
- aminnes

Agreed. Like the backup in NJ.


Anyone can get injured at any time..

I'm as big a Reimer fan as you'll find out there... but the Leafs can't afford to put the players feelings ahead of the club's progression... they done in the past and it resulted in such stellar memories as the Muskoka Five, Domi being resigned when he should have retired, multiple NTCs being handed out, and generally overvaluing of assets.

Reimer will get his chance to continue as the #1 in Toronto, but really would have been the case had they brought Luongo in for example, Reimer slips up once, has one bad game and Luongo "gets" the net given to him.

Bernier is an upgrade over Scrivens - period. There's no goaltending controversy, Bernier hasn't proven anything at the NHL level, and he hasn't played behind the Leafs AHL defense. Reimer has.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I would have left it alone. Bernier isn't here to be a backup he made that very clear. He's here to try and run Reims out, why make the trade? pointless, move those guys for some d.